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  • the rap bandit

    Busta Rhymes will co-sign wack rappers who he thinks he can put on a song to keep him relevant.

  • Fuckyounewbies!

    Man, to hell with this perpetuity of random, recycled, bullshit ass "New York/Southern Trash Rap! As a Houston native...I can tell you that even at best, the shit that's coming out of the East coast right now is shit that would be better suited coming out of some assholes studio in the back of his mama's crib before school the next day. I'm tired of this shit. I'm tired of cats like Busta cosigning shit that they know they would have deaded back in the 90s..hell, even back in the early 2000s...this shit makes my heart ache...better yet, it doesn't even do that, because the material isn't deep enough to make it past the tissue I wipe my ass with! Fuck this "new wave trend" of swag jackin' ass wack rappers who get on off of having no true lyrical content or skills. Fuck Kanye and Jay for having the power to produce change and choosing to endorse the downfall of a culture they helped build. Business is business, but nonsense will always be nonsense. Period. And fuck anybody that has anything to say after this, because I really don't give a shit about what most of you mindless, tasteless, classless fucks think anymore. That's my rant!

  • cam

    @Fuckyounewbies! well damn lol

  • brooklyn

    @fuckyounewbies, you mad bro?

  • nyc

    @fuckyounewbies, you need to either realize or get over the fact that mainstream hip hop has turned into"pop rap" over a decade ago, you don't need "true lyrical content" to make ghetto pop records, only close minded hipsters like you feel otherwise

  • marty mcfly

    There still needs to be some kinda bar though. I mean make whatever you want but at some point if making music doesn't require any skill at all period then its not a good thing. I aint heard this dudes mixtape so maybe he's like a musical genius or something but chances are the Gold song is the majority of this guys 15mins of fame and the fact that he got labels kissing his ass is laughable. No Busta im sorry but this guy isnt a problem for nobody just like your last album. He a problem for Chief Keef but anybody above that artistic level looks at this guy as a the Trinidad Jerome (in the house oh ah oh ah... watch ya mouf) of hip hop. I'll give him six months until its on to the next gimmick.

  • nyc

    @marty, there doesnt need to be any bar, hip hop is expressing yourself, there is no bar for expressing yourself. You may be rite about the 15 minutes of fame thing, but that's anouther conversation. And you don't need "skill" to make good music, maybe make a good rap record, but you can have a natural ear for beats and know what people want to hear as far as being catchy and make good music, that's talent not skill, cuz you can't learn that. Skill is something you practice

  • marty mcfly

    Yes thats true, you can even make horrible music and somebody will be a fan. But by not having a bar though or some kind of standard of excellence the product will not be as good as others with a high quality. Thats just the truth and my 15mins of fame comment is actually part of the same conversation because what kind of music usually doesn't have longevity? Music with low standards or no skill. You DO need skill to make GOOD music though. By not having any skill you can make music (good sometimes) and you can even have a hit record but the chances of doing that every time or most times you record a song with no skill at all is gonna be slim. If people wanna buy into this then by all means go ahead and if the fans of hip hop want more artists like this then by all means go ahead and support that then. No problem with me but overtime hip hop will lose more artistic value and thats not just opinion, it can be proven a number of ways. Its to the point now that the actual music dont even matter as long as the person your looking at is on a popular site then they must be dope. NO and as for the Gold song that cool but again all thats gonna do is produce copy cats but since they aint the source they will just drag the culture down further. I believe labels are actually looking for the worst music possible because thats whats poppin now and thats wack.

  • marty mcfly

    Again I havent heard his mixtape so he could be dope or something but we'll know for sure by what kind of music comes after his breakout song. Honestly though I think i've seen this kinda movie before and kinda know how it ends. #Forgotten

  • nyc

    @Marty, long jevardy is not all about the music, its about the fans also. An artist can be consistant making good music, and the fans stop being interested in it, and that could be for a number of reasons. You said if there's no standards the product wont be as good as others EXACTLY, there's going to be music you think is low quality and music you think is high quality, that's all subjective. The music you think is low quality I mite think is high quality, and you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong, its subjective. But EVERY genre has low quality music, and higher quality music, that statement you made seems like your saying everything has to be high quality to you, that's never going to be the case

  • nyc

    @marty, "overtime hip hop will lose more artist value", that is just an opinion...because even if you had good points to back that up...who are you to say how valuable the music is? That will always be subjective....like i said hip hop went pop a long time ago....you don't need artistic value to be considered hip hop anymore lol its diverse as ever now....I bump everything from jay z, nas, lupe fiasco, kendrick lamar, and then throw on trinidad james lol what's wrong with music that isn't artistic? You need music that's just wild the fuck out fun music also, and that's his purpose

  • marty mcfly

    I dont have to prove hip hop music has lost alot of its value and that not having a "bar" or standard that only makes things worse. You can come to your own conclusion on that but its not hard to tell. I dont have to say what value of the music is (at least 90% of it) nowadays cause the fans of the culture will tell you how valuable it is and how much an album or song is worth these days. Again if you wanna support this then go ahead but chances are you'll download one project and never fuck with this kind of shit again ( chances are you damn sure wont buy it). Now if you wanna influence more artists to follow in these same steps then go right ahead. Im not just bagging on Trinidad but just speaking in general. Anytime the very skill of an art is not even respected in doing something then overtime it will fade out and music with little skillful ability will never be on the same level as music with highly skillful music. Now an artists who just makes whatever to express himself mite get lucky. Yes but the chances of you actually giving a fuck about that artists one or two good songs is slim.

  • marty mcfly

    Its no need to try to convince me otherwise because like I said if this kinda shit floats your boat then support it but its a difference between this kinda shit and those other artists that you listed. As if because you listen to them that means anything in regards to Trinidad Jerome. NO and if any artists out there believes they dont need artistic value or skills to do hip hop music then you can try it then and see how that works for you.

  • nyc

    @marty, if I were to ask fans of the culture it would be a waste of time, because what I would br asking them is how valuable is the music to them, which is irrelevant, 1 million opinions aren't more valuable then 1, there all opinions at the end of the day. I don't know where you got the probabilty thing from about my chances of buying this guys music, but I buy music like this for driving purposes, I don't know about anybody else, but I buy music, ALL kinds. And you may be rite about him fading away, but your doing that thing you like to do which is argue things other people aren't even arguing with you about lol. Im jus saying your bar comment was ignorant

  • nyc

    @marty, im by no means trying to convince you this is good, im saying you telling me this isn't good is your opinion and that you don't need "standards" in hip hop, that would take way the diversity, and that would keep it from growing...if there were "standards" hip hop probably would of faded away a decade ago because people probably would of got bored of it....."as if you listening to them means anything regarding trinidad james"....my point was hip hop is diverse, and different artist serve different purposes, jay z, nas, kendrick etc, I listen to hear lyircs,content and creativity, trinidad james I listen to to have fun driving down the block

  • nyc

    @marty,I don't need to try it and see how it works for me, lil b already proved my point lol

  • nyc

    @marty plus that "fun music" element has been in hip hop since day 1, even before the lyrical stuff, so if rappers like trinidad james are lowering the artistic value of hip hop, hip hop never had any artistic value to begin with, and that my firend is how you prove a fact lol

  • marty mcfly

    What your doing is called arguing just to argue because even if you keep it real with yourself you probably think Hip hop should kinda bar have some level of standard. Now your saying hip hop never had any value? OK but anyway the bottom line is people like hip hop music with some kinda skill. Do people prefer lyrical skills over having very little or no skills? Yes because its in peoples nature to want the highest of quality in things. Ask yourself, who are your favorite rappers? Are they lyrical? and Why? Why would you prefer skillful music if you so in defense of not having any kind of standard at all? How come most of the albums people consider classic in hip hop have a level of lyricism? Your saying if hip hop had standards and people considered skillful musical ability as fans that hip hop would be boring and less dynamic? Clearly your opinion is wrong because how many hip hop fans are out there right now. How many different kinds of artists have millions of fans? So clearly the standards of excellence and diversity aint hurting the game it actually helped it. And for atleast 10 plus years strong it was about having skills so how many fans did that produce? Unless your own personal opinion is you would rather listen to music without any standards or some level of skill, then you actually just arguing just to argue because if you prefer skills over no skills then your only agreeing with me in the long run. Almost everything in life comes with a standard and if that bar isnt met usually its not a good thing. THAT sir is common sense.

  • marty mcfly

    And the "fun" music your talking about in the early days of hip hop came from artists with dope lyrics anyway. Yes you can make trash music with trash lyrics but what do you prefer most times? EXACTLY

  • nyc

    @marty, no you didn't understand obviously, I said responding to what you said, if hip hop is losing "artistic value like you said, it never had any in the beggining because there were artist in the 80's and 90's that made fun music and alot of them didn't have "dope lyrics" to me, that's your opinion, im not arguing just to argue, that must be what you call somebody arguing something you don't agree with, I stand by what im saying, if I keep it real with myslef I probably think hip hop should have some kind of standard", no, stop telling me how I feel lol I know how I feel, and I clearly stated it..my favorite "rappers", are jay z, nas, eminem, and lupe fiasco....that doesn't mean I don't enjoy this kind of stuff JUST as much, if anything I play music like this more than lyrical stuff because im usually more in that mood, every once in a while I sit down an throw on something I could think to...classic albums are named classics because there timeless, there were albums like snoop doggs first album that weren't lyrical and were considered classics...and no im not saying if hip hip had standards it would be boring and less dynamic im saying it would HAVE gotten boring because it wouldn't have changed at all and the maintream wouldn't care about it, hip hop evolved and that came from artist being different not going by a "standard"

  • nyc

    @marty, I actually prefer music like all gold everything most of the time, but at the same time I give credit where its due and give those guys there props for being the best at "rapping", but rapping isn't the only formula for good music... your not going to win any debate by asking me a question and then answering it yourself lol almost eveything in life comes with standard, but not when that thing is something as subjective as music so that was a fail lol, you even said "almost", yea music is one of those things actually.

  • nyc

    @marty, and did you just say the last 10 years it was about skill?????? Lol you were serious about that???? Is that why guys like waka flacka, and future blow up??? Last time I check the beggining of the 2000's marked a time when lyrics began to not matter, and that makes sense because that's when hip hop went pop, and you don't need good lyircs to make pop records

  • Flip

    Niggas is writing stories in this mutha fucka lol

  • marty mcfly

    We aint talking about fun music vs serious music. Were talking whats better?, having musical standards or not having them. I promise you most people would disagree with the notion that hip hop shouldn't have standards. Ice T just did a whole movie about it and clearly every artist thinks skills is important. Now your saying that hip hop without any standard period would actually be better because hip hop with standards is or would be boring? NO. You say Snoop wasn't lyrical implying he didnt have any artistic standard? GTFOH and yes there were wack artists back in the day and thats why didnt have no careers and got tagged as wack bullshit. Being wack has never been a good thing. Having NO standard means wack because anytime an artist is trying to make something good at all they are applying some kind of standard. Why? because there IS AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE A STANDARD IN ANY ARTFORM. People dont want to buy something with hopes that it has no standard or bar of quality.

  • nyc

    @marty, why would you say diversity isn't hurting the game? That's my point genious lol, im saying if there were "standards" THERE WOULd BE NO DIVERSITY, because everbody rwould HAVe to rap a certain way...hip hop evolved by rapppers NOT doing that and stepping out of the box, THAT'S why its gotten to so big

  • marty mcfly

    Oh you said you prefer music like Gold Everything. Well that explains it and since I brought it up, go watch Something From Nothing: The Art Of Rap. Now if Ice T and every artists on there and my opinion is wrong because you know it all and you honestly believe hip hop with no standards is better for the culture then hey I guess you just cant see whats obvious. All Around Artistic Quality >>> Hip hop with no standards.

  • marty mcfly

    And im saying there is obviously standards in hip hop because that has been the main topic of discussion for the last 25 years. Whats dope and whats not and having standards promotes more diversity fool.

  • nyc

    "We ain't talking about fun music vs serious music, were talking what's better", no, YOUR talking about what's better, there equally entertaining to me actually. Doesn't matter if most people woul disagree with me about hip hop standards, doesn't make you any more correct and me anymore wrong. And your obviously using the word standard in a different way I am, stop wasting your time lol, im saying there shouldn't be any standard meaning you shouldn't have to be a certain level of a lyricist to be hip hop, because lyricist aren't the only ones who make good music...being wack has never been a good thing but you saying something is wack is your opinion, an artist can have wack lyrics an have a good song..that's actually been the story of a lot of artist for a long time

  • nyc

    @marty, I dint say I know it all im saying my opinion, your the one talking as if your opinion is fact, bringing up other rappers opinon as if that makes your opinion any more true lol, once again your using the word standard differently from me, the standards im talking about doesn't promote diversity "fool", it takes it away because it makes every rapper HAVE to rap a certain way, that's what im saying...rappers being "different" is whats been moving the genre forward

  • marty mcfly

    and its not just about lyrics either, were talking hip hop music all around. Were talking is it better to have standards or have no standards period and the answer to that simple question is obvious.

  • jookie

    leave it to marty to make 45 wall of texts again

  • nyc

    @marty, what im saying is having a standard in lyrical quality wouldn't allow for rappers to be different, and that's why I said hip hop probably would have faded away because nobody would have stepped out of the box and did anything different

  • nyc

    @marty, in your world where all of your opinions are facts of course the answer is yes, but in reality, there is no rite answer

  • marty mcfly

    And no having standards doesn't mean you have to rap like another person. That is completely stupid because does every artist that takes this artform serious and tries to uphold the standard, do they all sound the same? Of Course not. Standards dont equal limitations and there are hundreds of rappers already in hip hop that dont sound the same and many of them take pride in having some kind of musical standard.

  • nyc

    Standards absolutly equal limitation are you retareded? Lol if there's a standard on how tall you have to be to get on rides in six flags guess what, short niggas not gonna be able to get on lol...I don't know what kind of standards your talking about, but you sound foolish if were using the word in the same context

  • nyc

    @marty, if there is a standard on how baggy clothing lines had to be, skinny people wouldn't feel comfortable wearing your line, and that would limit the growth of your clothing line, am I giving you enough examples of what I mean? Lol because it seems like you missed my point a million times

  • marty mcfly

    Well the limitation your talking must not exist in hip hop cause there already is an unlimited amount style in it which can be displayed by over 30 years of history but somehow being dope and having kinda standards is still important to the culture. Example ask anybody there top 25 and watch them run down a list of artists that all feel the same way as I do and thats why their music sounds like it. So whatever limitation your talking about that having standards set, clearly the culture hasn't been effective by the standard of always trying to be dope.

  • nyc

    @marty, clearly the standards your talking about is rappers just wanting to make quality music, that's not what I mean guy lol that would be stupid to argue, im saying there should be no standards to what is allowed in hip hop, because rappers not following the rules is what pushed the genre forward and makes it more apealing

  • marty mcfly

    Again were not talking what standards, were talking standards period. Anything is always better with them then without them. Dope will always be better then not dope. Why do people mix down beats? Standards. Why do people rap with different subject matter? Standards. Why do artists give a fuck about their careers in general? Standards. This is NOT complicated.

  • nyc

    @marty, EXACTLY, the limitations don't exist and haven't for a long time and that's why hip hops gotten to big, so me using the word standard that way doesn't make sense in me arguing against you saying there should be a standard in hip hop?....you saying a certain music isn't quality is your opinion...so those kind of standards wouldn't make sense because that's all subjective...you can't say music has to be a certain quality, who are you to say it isn't quality? Those kind of standards can only exist in your own brain lol everyone has different standards, so you bringing that up is ignorant like most of the things you say

  • marty mcfly

    Even if you dont understand what im saying that makes your argument even worse because your giving an opinion on comments you dont even understand. I find it hard to believe you dont understand what im saying because that would mean your not using sense. The question is is hip hop better with standards or without? You think its better off with no standards and your probably the only person who believes that cause if you go up to any fan of hip hop and say hey do you think hip hop should have no standards, they'll say that sounds stupid because every artform has standards.

  • nyc

    @marty, AGAIN the standards your talking about is obvious, even if I really disagreed with what you just said what kind of person would continue arguing??? Lol im talking about standards in terms of limitations on the genre of hip hop, your talking about standards in general which is retarded.....your saying hip hop should be a certain standard rite?? Well what standard?? YOUR standards??? Hate to break it to you but everyone has different standards and the world doesn't revolve around you...who are you to tell me a song isn't standard quality? That's your own personal opinion, I have my own

  • marty mcfly

    Go try your own theory then. Go get horrible beats then rap off rhythm and dont even rhyme words or flow just say some scatter brained bullshit and just say your expressing yourslef and name the project Rap With No Standards. If you can build a fan base off that then your opinion is correct. No standards is better the having them.

  • nyc

    @marty, NOW were getting some where(I think), you said the question is "is hip hop better with standards or not" RITE???....if were using 2 different meanings of the word standard what the fuck are you still arguing about lol...I understand what your saying NOW, and what your saying makes YOU sound stupid to even argue something like that if somebody tried to argue that, were obviously using 2 definitions of the word, so why would you even continue your arguement after I pointed that out??

  • nyc

    @I don't know if your retarded or what, but I jus said were arguing too different things , but if I were to argue what your arguing rite now, lil b has already done that lol

  • marty mcfly

    You cant confuse what im saying cause its plain english and Lil B did not prove me wrong. He's been laugh at for almost 8 years as the joke of hip hop and I think Kreashawn sold more then he did with one project first week then Lil B did with 1000 mixtapes and albums.

  • marty mcfly

    You cant prove me wrong if the music with No Standards comes out worse then the music with standards cause that would mean its better to have them then to not have them.

  • nyc

    @marty,I can't prove you wrong? I don't have to prove you wrong were arguing 2 diferent things, what sense would that make? Im staring to think your either really stupid or your fuckin wit me lol gotta be one of them, why would you coninue trying to prove that point after I realized what you were saying is different from what im saying, why would anybosy with a brain do that, please let me know, im dying to here your answer lol.............and just for the record lil b is a laughing stock but also has a cult following

  • DEVille713

    The majority of people who complain about the purity of hip-hop/rap don't BUY music. The people who DO spend money on music are the ones that determine what becomes popular/mainstream. Market yourself to a group of people who will buy YOUR type of hip-hop and you will see success as well. It's that simple.

  • marty mcfly

    The outcome of of Lil Bs career should show that you can create a huge following and still not sell shit if you dont even take your own music serious. Lil B had a Drake size following but yet nobody bought his albums. The reason Hip Hop should uphold some level of standards has been proven alot more then for those that just got lucky and happened to have a big hit record on MTV. Chance are most artists who refuse to put much effort into their craft wont be as lucky as the very few gimmicky clownish rappers that did.

  • GOD

    I think it is funny that you all can come on a website, throw so much salt on another nigga's hustle, say how he is "killing hip-hop", yet do nothing to change it. You think the state of hip-hop is so bad, then change it. This talking shit is useless because while you doing that, these "non-lyrical" rappers will continue to make money.

  • Htown

    They're not making money.They're pawns. The industry will buttfuck Trinidad in his gold spray painted asshole, allow him to be diverse at the sacrifice of dignity,continue to distract listeners attention away from real issues that occur in places that rappers like Trinity are really from,glorify baffoonery and oversell the same three topics that keep us paralyzed from change such as drugs,sex and materialism. As a music lover I encourage diversity,but I am not retarded. Fun music is cool, only when it doesnt serve to make my culture look like retards on a global level. Rap has always been about lyrical depth, thats why XXL mag has the 5 mic ratings,Trinidad and a lot of these current artist who are "hot" would prolly receive a negative 5 mics. His music is very catchy,and Im not knockin dudes hustle,but the real issue is filtering and having an industry telling you that sumthing is good when it's actually garbage. While evry poster on here goes back and forth and forth and back about standards and the quaklity of what we hear in a genre of music that is steadily going through an identity crisis,the industry is not giving a flat fuck about an artform that was created by us in order to inform and reform. Throughout Trindads video you see some fucked up shyt,but its of no concern,cuz you're in awe of how remedial his music is. I can listen to Trinndads music,hate it or love it,mock him,have his back,or go out & buy gold chains like Mr. T,but at the end of the day,conforming to too much of the wrong types of diversity in OUR music without standards will only serve to hurt Trindad,his future and new artists from having careers,not stints in doing something they LOVE,and building WEALTH,not getting short quick money and leaving the game in more debt than when you came in. And most black folks dont buy albums no more,we gon download his shyt from youtube.Fun is cool,but not at the cost of dignity..