Thoughts On Jay-Z’s ‘Magna Carta Holy Grail’?

blame it on Shake July 23, 2013

With #newrules in mind, Jay-Z set out to overshadow his little brother deliver his latest solo album in a way that hasn’t been done before. Cashing out with Samsung and going Platinum before it’s release and landing his 13th #1 album a week later with 528k sales (not to mention another 128k this past week). All numbers aside though, this post is about the actual music. Now that you all have had a good amount of time to let MCHG sit with you, we’d like to know your thoughts. Where does the album land in Hov’s overall catalog? What’s your favorite joint? How upset were are you over “Beach Is Better” being so damn short!? Let us know…

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  • Pedro

    Solid album. 7/10

  • A Fan

    Overall I feel it was alright. I feel it was just a “Stunt” album to show that he’s doper then everybody else. I think to me the 2 overall all actual good songs were “Oceans” and “Part II” all the others ones were nice rap tunes. Killing everything in the market right now but if were looking at it just from a music stand point Timberland held the weight. 6/10

  • wat

    The promotion started out kinda cool but got really, REALLY corny. For someone at Jay-Z’s level, he was painfully try hard with the album promotion with the lyrics releasing beforehand, the commercials, the Samsung deal, and the “#NewRules” bullshit.

    Anyway, the album was just alright. Like Yeezus with Kanye, it’s overhyped because he’s JAY-Z and he’s gotten himself to that level where he can do no wrong in fans’ eyes, deservedly. The album is not a classic and is nowhere near Jay-Z’s best. It’s one of Jay-Z’s worst (which is funny because it’s probably the best hip hop album this year). The beats are top notch but not many will stand the test of time and become classics. Lyrically Jay-Z is not what he used to be. He’s still great but comparing this Jay-Z to his prime would show you a drastic difference.

    Anyway, it’s a decent album overall. 7/10 I think. Maybe 6.5. Nothing great on it. Seemed rushed.

  • MewLover34

    First nine tracks are pretty dope, even if he says absolutely nothing in pretty lame flows. After that I can’t really fuck with any of it, it would be a decent EP if it just ended with Heaven. I’d give it about a 6/10, nowhere near his worst album.
    But who gives a shit about this anymore? Doris 8/20

  • BlockyK

    Throughout my life I’ve never been much of a jay fan. I’ve always liked reasonable doubt but beyond that jay seemed to be a slightly above average rapper who was imo overrated. This album doesn’t do anything new… but this album is so musically sound that it would be a shame to skip. The lyricism is great but where jay really shines is the showing of his emotions in the tracks that make things hit you harder. This album shows where jay is in his life, where he came from and where he plans to take things and I gotta say the future looks bright.

  • mad

    ok album more impressed by the production than the actual content crown bbc and oceans are great songs
    Doris 8/20 btw

  • Obi Juan

    Usually as I listen to an album it grows on me over time but with this one it did the complete oposite. When I first heard it I thought it was amazing. Then when I heard it the majority of the songs seemed lazily written and half ass hooks over amazing beats. Definitly a winning year with Tim with this and Justiin Timberlakes album.

  • Monsteeeerrrr

    The production was 10/10, I mean look at the credits. How can you go wrong w a team like that? Lyrically the album was sub par 6/10. I listen to tracks like “I Did It My Way” and “22 Twos” and it just doesn’t match up. All that said, it still went platinum before it hit the shelves, nuff said. #newrules


    Jay Z has a new album? Has there been any promotion for it? This is the first I’ve heard of it.

  • Washington Post

    Eight summers ago, Jay-Z described his impossible journey from no-name to brand name in eight sly words: “I’m not a businessman/I’m a business, man.”

    A triumphant little zinger, no doubt. But what about the rest of us? When an artist self-identifies as a corporate entity, are we still Jay-Z fans? Or are we Jay-Z customers?

    The answer to that late-capitalist riddle arrives with the rap icon’s insidious new album, “Magna Carta . . . Holy Grail” — which first appeared last week as a data collection exercise disguised as a smartphone app capable of delivering a bundle of mediocre rap songs to your mobile device.

    Here’s how it worked: Samsung purchased a million copies of “Magna Carta” in advance, then, via the app, made the album available to subscribers five days before its widespread release. In exchange, users were asked to share access to their social media accounts, their phone calls, their GPS location and more. If the medium is the message, we finally had an answer to that fan-or-customer question.

    And now who would want to be either? Throughout “Magna Carta,” the 43-year-old pretends he’s a threat to a system he’s so eagerly become a part of, as if his life as a champion capitalist is some perpetually escalating act of subversion. Hooray? Rooting for this man in 2013 is like rooting for Pfizer. Or PepsiCo. Or PRISM.

    Plus, all of this Samsung hullabaloo has only distracted listeners from the fact that, musically and lyrically, “Magna Carta” is one of Jay-Z’s blandest offerings. Over 16 joylessly professional tracks, our hero laces up his sneakers for his bazillion-thousandth victory lap around the hip-hop universe. There’s no mood, no verve, no vision to this music. It’s the sound of champagne being sprayed around an empty locker room.

    And that’s disappointing considering the blitz of web and TV ads for “Magna Carta,” which suggested we’d be basking in a richly sculpted songbook. The first television spot crash-landed during game five of the NBA Finals, with Jay jawing about his craft in the studio with the album’s producers, Timbaland, Pharrell Williams, Swizz Beatz and Rick Rubin — the last of whom wasn’t actually involved in the making of the album at all.

    Also in the ad, the rapper promised to document the difficulty of maintaining his sense of self in the riptides of fame and fortune. But as ever, Jay-Z maintains Oz-like distance on this album, refusing to expose the personal vulnerabilities that Kanye West, Frank Ocean, Drake and a generation of hip-hop stars rising in his wake have built their careers on.

    Instead, “Magna Carta” is packed with his patented American dreaming at its most unimaginative. He name-drops Jean-Michel Basquiat and Francis Bacon as if the only point of art is to own it. He name-drops convicted D.C. gangster Wayne “Silk” Perry on a song named after fashion designer Tom Ford. And in a mysterious courtship ritual with Gen X, he recycles the hooks of R.E.M.’s “Losing My Religion” and Nirvana’s “Smells Like Teen Spirit.”

    The last wheel falls off during the album’s final cut, “Nickels and Dimes.” After coughing up a weak Lady Gaga pun — “Taking food out my little monster’s mouth/That’ll drive me gaga” — and rekindling a weird media beef with 86-year-old Harry Belafonte, he closes the album by insulting the listeners who made him a superstar: “Y’all not worthy/Sometimes I feel like y’all don’t deserve me.”

    But that didn’t stop Jay-Z from reanimating his oft-dormant Twitter account Monday afternoon — where he answered questions and cracked jokes. It was as if he was trying to remind us that he was still human the only way he seems to know how: by shaking hands with his customers on the digital sales floor.

  • meh..

    Hov relies on, and is saved by, the production on this album. The raps are tired, lazy and he’s clearly just going through the motions. There’s a few moments and flashes of genius where the wit is there. Even some passion on Jay Z Blue…but this is a man who is rapping because he is a “rapper,” not because he has anything to say.

    In another note, though.. how is a 43 year old (business mogul, friend of the president, married to one of the most powerful entertainers in the world.. etc.) STILL calling his wife a “bitch”?!

  • Rock

    On steady repeat:
    Picasso Baby
    Beach is better

    I kinda like – FuckWitmeYouKnowIGotIt, Holy Grail, Tom Ford and Somewhere in America.

    Not listening to anything else off it, really.

  • XI

    It’s just become cool to hate Jay-Z and Kanye now.
    Album is dope.
    That Washington post dude is just rolling with the anti-capitalist edge to appeal to spiteful uninspired Americans who feel deserving of riches for simply existing and “making” these people famous lol.

  • Grimzz

    Great album…the only knock is the lyrics are not up to typical Jay-Z standards which isn’t a big deal to me…

    @meh… Bey allows it so who cares? lol

  • armd

    In the end, only track that I feel I’ll be bumping for the future is “Somewhereinamerica”
    “Tom Ford” does its thing too, but lyrically Hov really just took a huge backseat to this one…I feel like Cole and Yeezus both put in way more work on their shit.

  • Dope album! Amazing production and his flow is top notch on this album. He rode these beats perfectly! This album kinda showed a different side of Jay – it was nice hearing him rhyme over the heavy 808s. Jay’s personality and delivery is what makes him one of the best, if not THE best. He has a certain confidence in his voice that makes people like him.

  • vsop

    FuckWitmeYouKnowIGotIt is the only banger on the album. BBC is aight too…I imagine that was a track for them all to make. Jay Z rested on his laurels for most of the album. Considering the gimmicky Samsung promotion, the misleading commercials, the guest/production that has been touted on this album, and the lyrical content is the same old shit, it’s a 6/10 AT BEST. I tend to agree with the write up above from @Washington Post.

  • marty mcfly

    People still talking about they want Reasonable Doubt Jayz damn near 18 years later, smh. Reasonable Doubt Jayz didnt even consider himself a MC, he thought rappers and the music business was corny and he didnt even want to be an artist. He wanted R.D to be his only album and it was just meant to entertain his friends and give the real hustlas something to listen to, thats all. Fast forward to now, Jayz is someone who’s comfortable being an artist and he understands the game and has mastered his craft. Magna Carta Holy Grail is the soundtrack to hip hop in 2013 period.

    Holy Grail – For someone of Iconic status thats beyond just the realm of hustler raps, this is they way you start an album. On some over the top grand sounding, im that nigga shit and he still had bars in it. Jayz –
    This light work, camera snapping, my eyes hurt
    Niggas dying back where I was birthed, fuck your IRIS and the IRS
    Get the hell up off your high horse
    You got the shit that niggas die for, dry yours
    Why you mad, take the good with the bad
    Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water…

    Not to mention that Justin killed the hook… ICONIC MUSIC DOPE !!!!!

    Picasso Baby – For ya’ll that want the gangsta Jay back with dope lyricism then here you go. Good ol fuck you haters, Im dope and we can beef about it music. Jayz –
    My hairpin pierce skin, ruptures spleens
    Cracks ribs, go through cribs, and other things
    No sympathy for the king, huh?
    Niggas even talk about your baby crazy
    Eventually the pendulum swings
    Don’t forget America this how you made me
    Come through with the ‘Ye mask on
    Spray everything like SAMO, I won’t scratch the Lambo

    If anybody is claiming to be the Da Vinci of hip hop and it make sense then its Jayz. Get mad if you dont like it. FIRE !!!!

    Tom Ford – Club shit and lets be real, this is a major part of hip hop. Songs about fashion designers and chanting type hooks that people can say over and over again in the club have been apart of hip hop from day one. Not the best song on the album but for people that like to have fun to hip hop records it makes sense. Its Cool

    Fuckwithmeyouknowigotit – GANGSTA SHIT AT ITS FINEST PERIOD, FIRE !!!

    Oceans – COMEONSON, Frank killed that hook and its conceptual and Jay goes in on this song. Jayz –
    Dope boy still smelling like cocaina
    White boat, white robe, can he be more cleaner
    The oil spill that BP ain’t clean up
    I’m anti-Santa Maria
    Only Christopher we acknowledge is Wallace
    I don’t even like Washingtons in my pocket
    Black card go hard when I’m shopping
    Boat dock in front of Hermes picking cotton
    Silk and fleeces, lay on my Jesus
    Oh my God, I hope y’all don’t get seasick… Haters hate this line LOL.

    Its gangsta, artsy, conceptual, lyrical and straight up movie sounding period. Fucking EPIC !!!!!

    F.U.T.W – Now i’ve heard people say they want The Black Album Jayz back, ok well who do you think is talking to you on this song? Jayz –
    Me and destiny got a date
    Martin had a dream, Hov got a team
    My chain already heavy, don’t let me get a ring
    Parades down Flatbush, Confetti on my fur
    Turn right in Red Hook, niggas heavy on the curb
    See most my niggas died early twenties or late teens
    I’m just trying to come from under the thumb of this regime

    DOPE !!!

    Somewhereinamerica – One of my favorite songs on the album and the beat is sick. Jayz – New money, they looking down on me
    Blue bloods they trying to clown on me
    You can turn up your nose high society
    Never gone turn down the homie
    Knock knock I’m at your neighbor house
    Straight cash I bought ya neighbor out
    You should come to the housewarming
    Come and see what your new neighbor ’bout… DOPE !!!


    Heaven – again MO FIRE, Jayz- Arm, leg, leg, arm, head – this is God body
    Knowledge, wisdom, freedom, understanding, we just want our equality
    Food, clothing, shelter, help a nigga find some peace
    Happiness for a gangsta, ain’t no love in these streets
    Conspiracy theorist screaming Illuminati
    They can’t believe this much skill is in the human body… DOPE !!!

    Part2 – DOPE. Beyonce also did her thing on this hook.

    Oh im skipping the interludes btw but they was alright. I personally didnt really like them but whatever.

    BBC, now personally I just thought this song was meh but its dope to hear Nas and Jay on the same record and just having fun though. Its aiight I guess

    Jayz Blue – DOPE, Jay humanizes himself here and it was a good song.

    La Familia – I didnt really like it, the hook to me really dont sound good and I get the point but I usually skip this song to keep it 100. Moving on.

    Nickels and Dimes – Great way to close the album. Dope song with dope lyrics. Jayz – Sometimes I feel survivor’s guilt
    I gave some money to this guy, he got high as hell
    Now I’m part of the problem far as I could tell
    Did I do it for him or do it for myself
    Can’t lie to myself
    I love my niggas more than my own blood
    I die for my niggas and I love my cub, hope that’s not fucked up
    I got a problem with the handouts, I took the man route
    I’ll give an opportunity though, that’s the plan now
    No guilt in giving clear a nigga conscience out
    No guilt in receiving, every thing within reason
    Can’t see it taking food out my little monster’s mouth
    That’ll drive me gaga
    Run up in your momma’s house, two nickels, one dime
    Manslaughter charges, the lawyer, knocked it down
    I’m just trying to find common ground
    ‘fore Mr. Belafonte come and chop a nigga down
    Mr. Day O, major fail
    Respect these youngins boy, it’s my time now
    Hublot homie, two door homie
    You don’t know all the shit I do for the homies

    The album overall was dope and regardless of what kinda hip hop fan you are, there is something on this album for you. Yes people want Reasonable Doubt again but Jay is not the same person he was when he was in his mid 20s so let it go. Yes people want the drug dealer bars back but keep it real, the only thing you would do is criticize it because you gonna say he aint in the streets like that no more. MCHG is what hip hop should sound like in 2013 if your a hip hop legend making a well rounded album. The album is FIRE overall. 7.5/10, imo and if it was the 90s again and we was reading the Source then id give it 4 mics. You mothafuckas gon learn at the end of the day. JAYZ – GREATEST OF ALL FUCKING TIME. Period now get mad about it. One


    MCHG was not Jay’s best work. Overall I found like many other folks the production was the star of the show. Lyrically is was disappointing. There are a handful of tracks i enjoyed but the majority of the album consisted of repative themes we have heard with lackluster rhymes. I was disappointed overall. It appeared to me at times that Jay was dumbing down his lyrics just to fit with contemporary Hip Hop audiences. Life is Good still on Heavy rotation.

  • true talk

    Jay is old.. it shows in his lyrics. Good production, but this was a “throwaway” album. No vision, no concept, no staying power.

  • marty mcfly

    And never post no fucking album review from the Washington Post again. We talking about hip hop fans here. Not some nerd at the Washington Post who most likely couldn’t tell you shit about hip hop cause they was never a fan to begin with. FOH with that ol industry ass angry nerd rant from a mothafucka from outside of the hip hop culture.

  • gregory kruxx.

    Its either his 4th or 5th best record. Thats how I feel right now. But its still no Blueprint, Reasonable Doubt, or Black Album…American Gangster was probly beta too.
    I don’t know The Blueprint still means the most to me overall. That was a complete game changer. This albums dope but more hype.
    On a side note…
    Truthfully Watch The Throne was better than Yeezus or Magna Carta in my eyes and I like all three albums since people mentioning all the JAy and Ye hate as of late..

    But overall..Solid effort. People Gona make fun but man That PArt 2 with B is killer

  • I only listen to:

    Somewhere in America
    Jayz Blue
    Sometimes Tom Ford and Picasso Baby( second half of that record is fire)

  • marty mcfly

    Sometimes you just cant hate and be serious at the same time. Good music is good music. You aint gotta act like its the greatest album ever but its not bad at all. Its a solid piece of work overall from someone who’s almost 20 years in the game and still delivering. Good luck to the new school.

  • fkouttahere

    Lol, troll just mad cuz J.Cole outselling Kanye, and getting more critical acclaim than both Jay and Ye. The people have spoken, and they rejected Yeezus, and gave a “it’s aight” to MCHG.




  • 40oz. Prophet

    Not worth the hype. Not a classic. OKay at best.

  • vsop

    @ marty you’ll dick ride & gobble up anything Jay-Z does and write novels about him that NO ONE is gonna read and at the same time dismiss a spot-on write up simply because of who it’s from? Cuz a 43 year old making the same album he’s already made is Hip Hip, huh.

    You, sir, are an idiot. It’s funny you don’t see the hypocrisy in your self-indulgent expertise. Get all sorts of the FOH.

  • vsop

    *Hip Hop

  • Just My Opinion

    Overall I give it a 8. It was a really solid album and I think some people just has to sit with it a little more. I fuck with like 12 out of 16 of the tracks and I think it may be 5th or 6th if you rated all of Jay’s albums. You have to look at the minimalist approach that him and Kanye both took into making their projects. It’s not what you’re used to from them, they’re trying to play around with their sound and do something that’s like “in your face”. I personally didn’t like Yeezus, but I see what Ye’ was TRYING to do I guess.

    Now THAT album wasn’t good. Just a bunch of different sounds and noises smashed together. Jay made up for that with a good release to me. Tracks I’m not feeling or still not sure about yet are: BBC, Part II, Crown & Fuckwitmeyouknowigotit. I think he tried to one up Blueprint 3 & Watch the Throne, and this is what we got. As far as the whole Samsung thing all I have to say is… #NEWRULES

  • MewLover34

    @marty Not everyone want’s to hear RD Jay. Some don’t want to hear him period. They would much rather listen to better MC’s with better lyrics and better production. Soundtrack to 2013? It lasted for about a week of strong plays, and now I just throw on single tracks here and there. What hip-hop should sound like in 2013? I think you meant Run The Jewels. That WP review is pretty spot on, you understand though, you can recognize flaws in an album and still kind of like it right? How you can post lame lyrics as examples of how lyrical he is astonishing to me.
    Doris 8/20

  • who cares

    A great heaping pile of hot trash.

  • runt

    i’d forgotten about this album completely until this post.

    i gave it about 6 or 7 spins when it dropped and nothing was very memorable about it. timbaland did a good job on the production for most of the album, but jay didn’t really capture my interest with any verses. i thought it was one his most uninspired albums lyrically.

  • MewLover34

    I think most peoples problem is they expect, and I have no clue why, but they expect some kind of classic record from this man. If you expect it to suck, then you’ll be real happy when he delivers a semi-descent album.
    Doris 8/20

  • Big L

    Yeah its alright. 7/10. And like i said before the album came out and when everyone was dickriding, Drake’s shit is gunna blow this out of the water and win another grammy. I told you so.

  • b Ali

    If u see a long ass Marty mcfly post you know its not good. The longer he rants means the more he feels he has to defend his heros short comings.

  • MewLover34

    Yeah I’m getting my popcorn ready for when Marty pretends this is better than Drake’s record. Drake’s gonna own this year in just two months.
    Doris 8/20

  • rosa parks

    yeezus >

  • MusicHead

    @marty mcfly you gotta be the biggest DICKRIDER ever bruh..smh make no DAMN SENSE..for all that unecessary shit..

    Iight now I think the album was amazing first listen but as I started to let it grow & sit..the album was average as fuck. Like songs from 1-4 HEAVY REPLAY VALUE..then #5 skip (still good tho) #6 it’s coo. 7. Dope & heavy replay value. 8. Its dope maybe cuz of all the Travis Scott influence..(sidenote 50 Cent’s Crown WAYYY better) 9. Heaven ..just like #6 ..it’s coo..no real replay value. Same for 10. Part 2 w/ Bey is a good song just not somethin I wud hit repeat on..motel likely to never actually listen to it. 12. Beach is Better fuckin hard & comin back to that feel that 1-4 gave u.. 13. BBC is a coo posse cut THOUGH Jay-Z evil for puttin him on such lackluster track & beat compared to the others. 14 Jay-Z Blue is a dope perspective but still ehh.. 15. VERRRRRY dope flow & vibing type of song.. chill player shit..only thing ..HORRIBLE REPLY BACK TO WAYNE..horrid. The end & last track is a FULL zzzzzzzz’s & boring. So basically the formula & sequencing of this album messed up the flow..by givin you 4 shock value records all back 2 back..makin u want that most of the album then havin bad switch ups in the sequencing of the album ..causing you to get VERY bored with the ending of the album..def 5th best album .. It goes RD, Blueprint, Black Album, American Gangster, Magna Carta.

  • MusicHead

    Yeezus > MCHG

    & MCHG is 9.5/10 for production but overall album6.5 or 7/10. WTT on steroids w/ out Ye basically .

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  • ear2ear

    At this point, I don’t really rate Jay’s albums much further than giving him respect for still being very relevant 20 years into his career. This album has some highlights on it. I really liked Crown. But I haven’t listened to it since the 4th of July weekend. Got stale to me in a hurry once the bells and whistles of the release died down.

    And to be honest, Yeezus, believe it or not, has risen to the top of my album lists this year right after Thundercat. It really got better to me over the weeks.

  • b Ali

    This album was super average. The production saved it from being a complete bomb. The only song that stands out is the one with rick ross on it (never thought I’d say that). The beat for tom ford was completely wasted. It was a disappointing album to say the least.

    Summer knights mixtape >>>>>>>

    Get mad

  • godbody

    Blatant jay-z hatred..smh

  • Freddy

    Wish I had the time to read everyone’s opinions but I’m just skimming….big fan of the album…I gave it a week to sit before actually listening…especially after that “This shit Lite!!” dude lol that was funny….I dig the album. Some tracks more than others…Tom Ford my jam & Oceans….I didn’t watch the promotional vids for samsung but maybe will one day

  • Smoke

    Solid production, lazy lyrics.

  • First and foremost, the BEST album thus far, this year. The competition is either looking to better than this if not take a different approach that knocks this out the water. But, by far, to me honestly, “Born Sinner” is the best conceptual album, thus far. Best record off the album; Heaven. He touched topics that ppl kept and will CONTINUE to attack him up on.

    This album has it’s moments (more up than down). The introduction of the album, is by far the best opener that I’ve heard thus far within Hip-Hop. The hook is simply amazing. That hook by itself created that record, as well as the production. The most driven record(s) meaning as performing; “Tom Ford” & “FuckWithMeYouKnowIGotIt”. I honestly, love this album. But I listen to J. Cole’s album a bit more, for that it’s better presented as in lyrics and concepts along with the production. But, again that’s me.

  • marty mcfly

    Its simple you hating ass bitches. If you feel YOU or any other artists is better then Jayz then get in the studio and get busy or tell your favorite MC to get busy point blank. Is they albums what’s poppin this summer? NO so you think your opinion is the overall fact of the matter? NO. So basically if everybody else is so much better then Jayz then drop your album and do better then him (artistically). If you or your favorite rapper is not doing that then it is what it is. @Mewlover Last week your were talking about Earl Sweatshirts album an now your talking about Drake’s? I dont know if you know this or not but those albums are not out yet so just stop. As far as Run The Jewels being a better album then MCHG? We’ll let the hip hop culture decide if thats the case and see what happens. No I dont expect that album to sell more but if that album is what you say it is then it should be the biggest album released this summer in the eyes of culture (artistically). If not then NO maybe its not the sound of 2013 at least not right now. Bottom line is dont just talk about how you feel Jayz is wack, either get in the studio and out rap the nigga or tell your favorite MC to do the same or STFU its that simple. Pound for pound and song for song good luck on producing a better all around album the MCHG cause its not gonna be easy at all.

  • marty mcfly

    And if that Doris album is out then fine. I dont really follow his music but whatever cause my opinion is still the same. Either make more impact on the culture then Jayz or STFU and again NO im not talking about sales. If you overall create better material then Jayz then the fans will get wind of it but honestly I haven’t heard singles better then Picasso Baby and Holy Grail this summer. I aint heard songs like Heaven, Oceans, Nickels And Dimes, F.U.T.W this summer. I dont know of any of these so called better lyricists with harder songs then Fuckwithmeyouknowigotit or Crowns etc… So again if its so many artists that are so much better then Jayz then drop your albums and get busy period.

  • marty mcfly

    Another reason why I said its what hip hop should sound like in 2013 is because it covers all bases and its well rounded. So if you a nigga that got bars for days but cant make a good song then FOH. If you a nigga thats super underground but cant make no shit for commercial radio then FOH (but some of US will still be fans). If you a nigga that make a bunch of mainstream shit but cant go bar for bar with these underground lyrical cats then FOH. Its 2013, you gotta be able to do EVERYTHING as an artist and MCHG represents that to a respectable degree. If you a underground head, mainstream listener, lyrical head or just someone who likes to turn up. Then this album has whatever you need somewhere on it. 95% of MCs do not make these kinda albums period. They got one artistic dynamic and thats it. FOH

  • MewLover34

    Hive > Anything on MCHG
    Run The Jewels is free dude, are you saying you haven’t heard it? I wouldn’t admit that if I were you.
    Doris 8/20

  • Koaf

    @jayz… you let alot of people down bro… you dont need to let a album digest to tell if it goes hard or not… every classic that has been made… i loved it instantly! So dont make an excuse for a horrible album on your part… boys was expecting to hear some knowledge spiritually and financially… you still lack transparency and its like you havent evolve in your music… still glorifying drug dealing like its the wisest decision for others in this day and age… id rather listen an interview than listen to this album again. He made sure he sold that million 1st lol! smart dude though.

  • marty mcfly

    @MewLover34, nigga im not gonna be all in a rush to listen to a bunch of albums every time one comes out. Im not gonna seek out albums like Run The Jewels or Doris or Hives or whatever the fuck. If they albums is so great then they’ll make it to me, until then im not interested. Thats no diss to them but it is what it is. Again if niggas out here are better artists then Jayz then bring it dont sing it. Put out music and prove it and its that simple. I got albums that are better then MCHG and I know MCs that people have never heard of that’ll rap circles around most the MCs in the game but that doesn’t mean that Jayz still aint doing what he’s posed to do and that dont mean his album still aint dope material. Somebody else’s ability doesn’t subtract Jay’s ability or anybody elses.

  • bilal

    mchg is ahead of its time

  • marty mcfly

    I mean people still asking Jay to do this and do that? I mean for real now, the nigga raps about his child on Jayz Blue. I mean is that not real enough for you? He got his wife on a song talking about they relationship, he got Heaven on the album, Oceans, F.U.T.W, Nickels And Dimes etc… I mean what, you think these is songs about strip clubs or something? Comeonnow, give credit where its due. Jay didnt say this album was classic and he aint gotta make the greatest album ever heard because even if he did fools aint gonna admit that. This album is just a good album and nowadays its not like that happens all the time cause it just doesn’t.

  • LowKey

    Marty McFlyim is just flat out embarassing…

  • MewLover34

    What more do you need to listen to an album then someone telling you it’s great? Go watch the DEHH review of Run The Jewels. You’ll hear hip-hop heads just like you talking about how amazing it is, the fuck more do you need to look into it. And your talking about whats hot right NOW, like today, and you haven’t listen to Hive? Honestly you don’t seem that busy that you can’t watch the fucking video on YouTube right now, watch I’m gonna go do it, it’s way easy.
    Doris 8/20

  • Master Lee

    MCHG is a good album. Its nowhere near a classic though. The production is the best thing about the album. Where the album fails is in lyricism and content. I’m a huge Jay fan but I’m just being real. Born Sinner, Yeezus, Summer Knights and Watching Movies With The Sound Off are all better than Magna Carta in my opinion. Jay is still a legend though and obviously the album sold well so maybe it doesn’t matter.

  • wellimean

    MCHG is a mixtape but jay z is jay z so he don’t do mixtapes its not bad don’t get me wrong but jay usually works a lot harder than this. Where’s the jay that stops cutting his hair til the album done? I honestly feel like he had to follow up yeezus so his lil brother ain’t son him. Overall tho I’d give it an 8/10 La Familia BBC and Heaven being my fav tracks not the best jay album but I liked it better than Blueprint 3

  • wellimean

    MCHG is a mixtape but jay z is jay z so he don’t do mixtapes its not bad don’t get me wrong but jay usually works a lot harder than this. Where’s the jay that stops cutting his hair til the album done? I honestly feel like he had to follow up yeezus so his lil brother ain’t son him. Overall tho I’d give it an 8/10 La Familia BBC and Heaven being my fav tracks not the best jay album but I liked it better than Blueprint 3 and Marty McFly Good Kid M.A.a.D city smashed this entire album and actually had a concept, its not album of the year bro sorry

  • marty mcfly

    @Mew, Those albums that you talking about i’ve already given they first couple of songs a listen and im not interested in hearing anymore. Are those guys good at what they do? Yes but I personally didnt really hear anything that I would wanna hear more of. I really dont care about the reviews from other people. Im not into no fucking Earl Sweatshirt type of shit. He got his target audience and thats not me. Jayz, Pusha T and even fucking 2 Chainz, I get where they coming from. Earl Sweatshirt is just not the type of shit I fuck with. Im not gonna listen to everybody album dog, its too many out here so sometimes some shit just gotta reach a person organically. @wellimean, Im personally not all into Kendricks album like that and I never was. Just because something has a concept doesn’t necessarily mean I gotta like it or its better then this or that. I’ve heard some concept albums that artistically blow GKMC out the water and a couple of them came out around the same time. I listed Kendricks album on my year end list last year but mostly because of impact and hype. Did Kendrick have the best bars of last year? Imo NO. I personally liked Apollo Brown and OC’s album Trophies alot more then GKMC but not everybody likes the same shit. Im not telling you to think MCHG is dope im just saying that not your opinion (nor mine) is the end all be all. I heard the album and it thought it was good. Kanye Shrug

  • marty mcfly

    Some of you are giving MCHG a higher rating then I gave it but yet you seem mad at my opinion. Smh

  • b Ali


    Long rants by marty = subpar album

    Classic lol

    Please continue…

  • marty mcfly

    @b Ali, yeah thats what I been hearing from some people, that Jayz is subpar or average or mediocre or whatever… Well if thats the case his album shouldn’t the hottest right now but it is. Put on Fuckwitmeyouknowigotit right now in any neighborhood and they gon fuck wit it. Your favorite lyrical miracle at the moment? Not so much. So its simple, stop letting this nigga make better overall albums then everybody else if he’s whats the average nowadays. By the end of 2013 most rappers will not have a better album the MCHG, thats not stanning either its just the truth. #Crown

  • b Ali

    We don’t believe u you need more people


  • yeah

    It’s ok, can’t imagine ever choosing to listen to it again however.

    Yeezus was much better as well

  • Trax$

    That Washington post review hit the nail on the head. Every single thing about this album is lazy and has been done before would not be so disappointing if the promotion hadn’t promised a revolutionary sound and outlook. That said this is the best album hitting mainstream ears right now which is a compliment to hov and a serious warning shot to Kanye. Cause Kanye has got to be able to top this mediocrity but he didn’t which is stunning.

  • i never been a hater, to be honest the only good with this album is its production. lyrically, thats worst Jay-Z album to date, its just waste of some good beats.

  • XI

    Blatant jay-z hatred..smh

    godbody said this on July 23rd, 2013 at 11:29 pm

  • On Picasso Baby…
    That line about BLUE owning some painting was very lovely!

  • Pop

    Hopefully when the “Molly Using”, “illiterate Lyric Loving”, Hip Hop crowd grows up they will see the #meaning and #true value in the Magna Carta, Holy Grail. Jay Z(no Hyphen) not only set the table for the rest of these so called rappers to go out and get a better value for even their sub-par talent, out here in the music industry, not just in the STRIP CLUB! Secondly, again, hopefully, they will see how he tried to expand hip hop through production and lyrics, back to the days where there were more than one sound or style in mainstream radio (including online streaming). Lastly, and hopefully again, the so called hip hop fan wakes out of their haze and blur, to see there is more out there for them in the music industry then a Louis Stewart Bag, full of weed and $$$$$, fake jewelry, cars and homes that are not theirs,court dates, bankruptcy, and hopes someone uses their 1 or 2 hits in the future, so they can feel relevant again and maybe get a guest appearance on an award show during the new artist of that time’s performance!

    Favs on MCHG –>

  • D

    This album is a potential future classic. I remember a whole bunch of people hating on American Gangster when it first came out… Now everyone thinks its dope.

    The proof is in the pudding. All the people who are saying “it’s whack” are all giving different songs that’s the best.

    EVERY track was named so far by being the “Best Track.” This is what makes this album dope.

  • marty mcfly

    That Washington Post review is so bullshit that its ridiculous. You can easily tell that its overflowing with hate from a person who decided he hated the album because he hates that Jayz is a business man. FOH. I can pick out several lines on the album where Jay did open up about his personal life so stop with that weak argument already. Jayz also talked about maintaining his sense of self in the mist of fame. Thats the first fucking song so how he missed that I dont know. You can tell whoever wrote that shit hates that Jayz his successful smh. Almost that whole review was about the marketing and promo and how that person hates technology and business partnerships. He probably put two paragraphs in there about the actual music because you can tell whoever wrote that listened to a verse from each song and then wrote that review in a hatred filled rage. As far as Jay promising you people a revolutionary new sound or a classic album? I dont recall any such promise. I just remember that outta no where Jay said im releasing an album july 4th and it was like a month before. He tried something new and some liked it and some didnt but musically if MCHG is lazy then some of the other artists are super lazy. Bottomline is either make better material then Jayz or stfu cause I hear a bunch of albums out there that are not even half as good as MCHG. Holy Grail, Picasso, Oceans, FUTW, Fuckwitme, Somewhereinamerica, Crown, Heaven, Jayz Blue, Part 2, Nickels And Dimes. Thats eleven dope songs right there and most these fools albums nowadays have like 4 or 5 good songs with alot less creativity or lyrical ability or dope delivery or even a fucking point at all. Make better music or shut up bitches.

  • x

    Lyrical content 4-5/10 Production a solid 9. To be honest I really wish Jay retired in 2004. This album was just all promotion. Had no heart whatsoever.

  • wiLL dent

    damn some people have way too much time on their hands to make the amount of comments they do.
    MCHG is dope. point blank, jus my opinion not a fact
    And people quit with the HASHTAGS ON HERE THIS IS NOT TWITTER!!!

  • MCHG is a solid 4/5. Most of the songs are dope with a few filler tracks that I’m not feelin as much as the others.

  • DBS

    Forgettable, the most memorable thing about this album was the abortion of a Rick Ross song, and that’s not exactly a good thing.

  • marty mcfly need to get a job typing for somebody

  • what the Fuck is a ‘run the jewels” wtf is that?..!!

  • wtf is a drake to a JAY Z?……. IM Confused….. like seriously. niggas mention drake in the same sentence as Hov?…..and wat is a Dorris? smh hahahah mchg owns da summer owns tha winter owns da year

  • Jay-z album was wack as fuck, that shit was liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!

  • TruthHurtsNigga

    Overproduced, devoid of any substance or meaning. It has 3 or so tracks that are listenable, but get old very quickly.

    A quick cash-grab by the ‘businessman’.

    In summary, a forgettable album like BP3.

  • Wavy Crockett

    La Familia, FUTW, Picasso Baby and the Versus beat. That’s It.

  • G

    I see a lotta haters on this thread. I give it a 9/10

  • marty mcfly

    Waaaaah Waaaaaaaahh Waaaaaaaaaahhhh…..Gulp.

  • Ron Burgandy

    “Over 16 joylessly professional tracks, our hero laces up his sneakers for his bazillion-thousandth victory lap around the hip-hop universe. There’s no mood, no verve, no vision to this music. It’s the sound of champagne being sprayed around an empty locker room.”

    “He name-drops Jean-Michel Basquiat and Francis Bacon as if the only point of art is to own it.”

    “There’s no mood, no verve, no vision to this music. It’s the sound of champagne being sprayed around an empty locker room.”

    “Rooting for this man in 2013 is like rooting for Pfizer. Or PepsiCo. Or PRISM.”

    ^^^ALL OF THIS. How is Jay Z gonna be the richest rapper, married to B, talking to the president, and still talking about drugs?? Whether “Tom Ford” is about the designer or coke, that one of the corniest hooks ever. The track “Holy Grail” is overproduced and pretentious as hell. Bottom line, if Jay as bad as he keeps telling us he is, why did he put out the lyrical b-sides of his last few albums?
    As dude pointed out in another Jay Z post (2dopeboyz better be getting PAID for these 1000 Jay Z posts) Jay stole “#newrules” from Bill Maher. Ya’ll can’t look at this for what it is cuz ur too enamoured with the name JAY Z.

    • Philly bash

      I see your vision I look at hovi for what he is entertainment I rather analyze Kendrick Lamar Ab soul j cole and j electronica lyrics hov already too on top can’t get no bigger unless he dies

  • t-ro

    I wish I could read what everybody says but im to lazy haha
    I loved tom ford and holy grail. Everything else to me wasn’t that great. Hov’s lyrics definatley are not that great on here. and yes fuck I wish beach is better was longer

  • Obi Juan

    Marty STFU with that “if you think its bad, why won’t you make a better album”
    If thats the case how bout you try to make a better album than Born Sinner. I guess for you its alright to hate on any artist as long as its not Jay-Z because he’s oh so perfect, right? Marty i swear you’re just a self indulgent piece of shit.

  • Philly bash

    It was Hovi’s beautiful dark twisted fantasy. He took that Kanye artsy direction and ran with it. Hott album. Favorite is oceans. The message on that is awesome followed by fuck with me you know I got it Picasso and beach is better

  • u must be the weaksest nigga ever to forget the blueprint 3….how dumb can u be…….i still hear empire state of mind on the radio smh

  • Big L

    people are impressed so easily these days. idk why these arguments are even happening. his aldum is AI- Ight. If you give anything less than a 6/10 then you MIGHT be hatin. If you give it anything higher than a 8/10 then you MIGHT be dickriding. I personally only listen to the song with ross on it cause his verse knocks on that shit. everything else has become boring to me

  • Unxpekted

    Album was trash. Timeless truth, Tony Touch, Reks, Mayday was dope. MCHG was absolute garbage minus Heaven.

  • vick

    holy grail – solid beat, feels unfinished. too much JT not enough JAYZ. first voice you hear on the record is JT who may be the corniest dude in pop culture for the past 20years.

    Picasso – dope beat. do not fuck with that sound efx noise tho. very corny. other then that shts dope.

    Tom ford – should’ve given this beat to schoolboy q. reachin with this one

    fuckwitmeyouknowigotit – dope – hustle anthem. makes me want to go achieve something.

    oceans – concept track if the album. can’t really fuck with the horns and the claps but the track is growing just because if how I’ll the lyrics are. frank sounds ok

    FUTW – similar feeling I get with fuckwitmeyouknowigotit

    somewhere in America – illest jump off the record. hit boy bodied this. so did jay. everyone loves this track. Knox in the wip too

    crown – cant fuck with the beat. too fruity loops sound click sounding. hook is a complete jack off ross.

    heaven – dope. wish it slapped harder. that losing my religion sht is stupid tho.

    versus – cool interlude. preciate the tribe nod.

    part 2 – my favorite jay bey track yet. super raw. bey kills that low tone. JAY COMPLETELY BITES JUVEE AND TUPAC ON THE FLOW THO!!!! don’t get it fucked up.

    beach is better – shoulda been longer. obvi dope.

    BBC – hook could’ve been better. those ooos sound stupid. rewrite the second half of that hook tho and this is hard. NAS BODIED JAY AGAIN.

    jayz blue – great introspective track.

    la familia – WORST JAY TRACK EVER

    nickels and dimes – word. shts dope. sounds underground too I fuc with it

    overall. 7.5

  • The King

    This album was like the song Renegade. The beats are sick, jays verses are good but when Eminem gets going you forget all about Hov. Shadys album will shit on MCHG and even faggots like Marty Mcfly know it. Also J Coles album is better.

  • Mike Johnson

    I dont like Holy Grail and La Familia but the rest of the album is super dope.
    Added “Glory” and “Open Letter” as bonus tracks. Album been on repeat since it leaked.


  • 6’8 Turock

    Jaz-O hawaiian sophie, jay z is not unique or original and most of his flows are an unintelligent weak shit.

  • Mike Johnson

    And Oceans is one of Jay’s best songs ever. Great verses and one of the greatest hooks I’ve ever heard thanks to Frank Ocean. From Slaveship to Yacht. Great concept. Beautiful production with haunting horns bringin perfect emotion to compliment the lyrics.

  • zeke

    Vicks review was spot on to me… despite the typos LOL

    I’d give it a 12 out of 16… 75%

    7.5 out of 10

    that’s a C….no honors awarded to the C student.

  • zeek

    Vicks review was spot on to me… despite the typos lol

    I’d give it a 12 out of 16… 75%

    7.5 out of 10

    that’s a C….no honors awarded to the C student.

  • Bryant

    Marty sounds like a sus fish boy from toronto with to much time…


    peace to the nation of gods and earths the album is peace i give it a 7/10 the most important thing is jay z aka hova is bringing the essence back that knowledge of self back into the culture dropping jewels like arm leg leg arm head this is god body and wearing our universal flag showing the world our teachings manifesting it thru the music is pure greatest at it best for a billion dollar business man show respects to my nation of gods and earths and let the world know he got his knowledge and inspiration from us(gods and earths) is monumental so on behave of the nation of gods and earths we salute you jay z for letting the world know that he fucks with the 5% nation of gods and earths and he aint on that demonic Illuminati shit PEEAACCEE!!!!

  • Bryant

    Bet most these chump dont even know bruh

  • chump

    ^ about that fake voodoo statistics magic bullshit FOH

  • kamu

    Because is jay people will rate this bullshit album differently. Any other rapper will get the THIS ALBUM SUCKS BALLS TREATMENT. btw this album is not up go standards fir all the bullshit this guy talked on those idiotiotic commercials.

  • UK Man

    I thought the album was okay, but nothing great. I don’t understand why Jay keeps using Swizz Beatz, Pharrell and Timbaland when they’re producing such average material. Pharrell at the moment is producing straight garbage tracks and his efforts on the album are terrible. I’d like to hear Jay work with other new producers, plus a few old classics like Pete Rock, Premier, etc.

    Jay Stans will claim this as a classic, but any true hip hop fan will know it’s nothing more than average.

    The only thing that could get me excited about a new Jay album is ‘Watch the Throne 2’, which I’m guessing is next?

  • UK Man

    Marty McFly – C’mon, son. You’re all over Jay’s johnson, man.

    MCHG is nowhere near one of the best albums of the year. At the end of the year, it won’t be in the top 20 hip hop albums. Not a chance.

    Jay released an average album. ‘Picasso Baby’ is hot though.

  • illmatic27

    Where does the album land in Hov’s overall catalog?

    Its wierd to me that Jay said that MCHG, cant be in top 3…….cause it wouldnt stand th e competition with them……..but why top 3? i d say top 5 man…….vol2 and AG are unmovable to me, and i think the album is not as good as vol3, but somewher near vol 1 and dynasty, and in my opinion its better than b3 and b2,
    so for me its between 7-9

    What’s your favorite joint?

    Picasso, SomeWherInAmerica,FUTW,Versus………also love the beat in FuckWithMeYouKnowIGotIt and Holy Grail, but hate that there is so little of Jay, he should make a rap version(i mean more street version) of Holy Grail and make a remix of FuckWithMeYouKnowIGotIt and add some one else to it……like Kendrick for example(he would slaughter that beat)…….and make huge megamix like Rocko tried to do at the begining of the year……

    How upset were are you over “Beach Is Better” being so damn short!?
    Not as match, as when i found out that verses is also so damn short)))

  • 4beadz

    garbage just like 90 percent of radio rap the lyrics are weak boring, and never saying nothing new …. if you consider yourself a hip hop fan and you listen to any jayz past the 90s or kanye and k cole you dont like hip hop you like fucking pop music fuck all this pop rap 17 year old white suburban kids think 2 chains is gangsta or chief keef… get a fuckin clue …