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  • wat

    AOTY, no question. This shit was legendary. Madlib brought out the absolute best in Gibbs.

    • boom shakka lakka

      Album leaked last week, and it's only the 3rd month of the year. And it's ALREADY album of the year? Where does it end with you niggas?

      • wat

        Yes, it already is. It's that good to me. Obviously if something I like better comes out, I'll change that.

        • boom shakka lakka

          That's all well and fine but do you let music breath before you call it album of the year? You can't, no way you do. You can't possibly get the full scope of a project in a week. It seems like you niggas just going by first impressions and not actually listening, that's why every time a new album comes out y'all are like "ooooh no THIS is album of the year."

          Let the shit breathe before you pull your kneepads out.

          • wat

            It isn't the age of the project that gives you the full scope, it's how many times you listened to it.

            And I listened to it a lot.

          • boom shakka lakka

            I listen to Cameron way more than I listen to jay-z, nas, etc...does that mean he's better? No. It just means he appeals to me more. That doesn't make him better.

          • wat

            What does that have to do with getting the full scope of a project?

          • hiphopanon

            its not hard to recognize a giant through a sea of midgets

  • cam

    Shxt is straight FIRE!!! Album of the Year material!!

  • factsonly

    How many features is Ab Soul gonna do damn my nigga and none of the verses be that hard at all lol

    • hiphopanon

      youre trippin his verse was dope

      • factsonly

        nah bro.

        • hiphopanon

          "we aint in kansas city but youll find a tech n9ne".... yes, bro.

          • factsonly

            lol was hat a good line smh wow

          • hiphopanon

            #iamnotimpressed

      • wat

        Everything but the "I love New York but of course..... I live out there....... so don't......... go there." I hate when Soul does that lol

        • hiphopanon

          the song with the hook and everything almost rivals strong arm steady ft. phonte best of times. similar vibe i can replay for years.

          • wat

            Yeah the hook is dope. Gibbs surprised me with how good his hooks on Pinata are.

  • HeruthaGod (Original N-G-R)

    Man this shit is crack! Freddie G & Madlib came with it, now I'm anxious for Eastside Slim lol

  • Shadd

    This has been on repeat since it leaked

  • RϰϰςΨ

    If I got to point my finger on one thing.. Most of these beats sounds the same, the strings are all over this..

    • Ryuk918

      2014: Where dudes complain when albums are cohesive.

    • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

      You should be saying that about an ALC beat LOL.

    • hiphopanon

      find another album that sounds like this one in the past year... i'll wait

  • jordan

    "REAL" got 100 comments..WHOLE ALBUM GOT 10. FUCK YOU WANNA BE FANS!!!!

    • hiphopanon

      sit

  • http://thatmorbidshit.tumblr.com/ FuckYouPayMe

    Shit's dope but I'm not really feelin' Gibbs on these grainy soul loop type beats. It's iite but I prefer BFK. and lol@boom_shakka_lakka:disqus

    • BuckDat

      And thats where you're wrong

  • hiphopanon

    been waiting on this...

  • marty mcfly

    Scarface
    Shitsville
    Real
    Thuggin
    Bomb
    Deeper
    Broken
    Uno
    Knicks
    Lakers

    Played this way the album is damn near a flawless victory. The other tracks is meh. As far as Madlib goes? He's ok if you on some hip hop head shit but if you expecting something else its no need to. This album will do well underground but wont make any impact whatsoever on the visible stage of hip hop culture but its a dope album.

    • marty mcfly

      I take that back. If he make a video for Lakers that might make Gibbs even more of a competitor on the mainstream side of things. Not that it really matters but just saying.

    • wat

      Did you listen to it? Because these beats aren't really "underground." Compare them to those on Madvillainy. THAT'S some underground shit.

      • marty mcfly

        Nigga these beats are underground sounding ok. Lets not confuse shit here. I dont have to compare them to beats on Madvillainy but I easily could. If it comes from Madlib then its automatically underground sounding and based on his production in hip hop thus far its not like im lying. The casual fan of hip hop aint checking for these shits and thats ok but lets not act like this isnt some underground shit when it clearly is. Did you listen to it? Ok then

        • wat

          So basically, it's underground sounding because you said so. Hahaha.

          • marty mcfly

            What is you talking about? Did you listen the album or not? The OVERALL sound of 99.9% of this album is obviously underground. You got two sides of the coin on Hip Hop culture, mainstream and underground and aint no non-underground niggas fucking wit no production like this. FOH

          • marty mcfly

            And even if fucking Nicki Minaj rapped on these beats they would still be underground sounding. You got fucking Madlib of all people sampling and making beats using the same formula he been using for his whole career. WTF is that? Underground sounding shit. None of these songs fit anywhere within any mainstream or commercial or trendy new sound going on nowadays unless you force one of these songs into play on a mainstream platform. Thats a good indication that the shit sounds underground.

          • hiphopanon

            moot point. good music is good music i dont care who fucks or doesnt fuck with it.

          • marty mcfly

            We're not talking about whether its good music or not. Smh

          • hiphopanon

            yeah youre talking about some moot point irrelevant pigeonhole shit. SMDH

          • marty mcfly

            No bitch. I said the album sounded underground and since then you have added your 2 cents in a bunch of other directions in which does nothing to effect my original point. Then you come with some stupid argument about how Madlib is the greatest producer in hip hop? GTFOHWTBS you fucking dickriding Madlib stan. SMMFH

          • hiphopanon

            "i said the album sounded underground"

            thats the exact moot point pigeon hole rhetoric i'm talking about. good music is good music. youre definitely salty for no reason... like a true emotional bitch ass

          • marty mcfly

            No where in the conversation was it about the music being good or bad. My very first comment was about the music being dope so there for I already said it was good music faggot. Why the fuck are you arguing about the music being good when clearly I felt the music was good from the start thats why I wrote two comments about it being good in the first place bitch. Your comments are the exact definition of a moot point dumbass. Your mad because I said a few songs were meh (which is true) after saying the album was dope and ten of the songs were "damn near a flawless victory". Your this upset over me saying a smaller portion of the album was meh cause your a bitch. I say the album was dope and your mad cause I used the word dope instead of good? Thats bitch shit on another level of bitch shit. Smh

          • hiphopanon

            i'm not upset at all. like at all at all. this in no way effects me whatsoever. you on the otherhand are increasingly emotional with all the name calling and other logical fallacies you pretend helps your argument (in reality only hinders it). lol. how does it feel to be controlled by an anonymous blog commenter? i trolled you into raising the comment count for fun... because i know you cant stop and agree to disagree.

            and for the record... i dont like when people compartmentalize music into subgenres, it perverts the perception of the music.. THATS what we we're talking about HERE (the other thread is about madlib being the GOAT).

            i'm disappointed marty, i thought you could follow a conversation. maybe its disqus' fault for putting our comments in non-chronological order?

            either way youre acting like a full blown emo bitchass.

          • marty mcfly

            Now all that is what you call a moot point. Is this album "underground sounding"? Clearly YES. Im I unfamiliar with Madlib's music overall? NO. Did I say the music wasn't good? NO. Is Madlib the GOAT? Fuck NO. You lost all the way around the board. Kill Yourself

          • hiphopanon

            still trolling you, but let me reiterate what ive already said multiple times.

            is it underground sounding?
            -fuck that pigeonhole label, but yes, it is anything BUT modern mainstream (fuck the mainstream)

            are you unfamiliar with madlibs music?
            -seems so

            did i ever say you dont think the musics good?
            -nope

            is madlib the goat?
            -debatable, i say yes.

            see the video and cut to :15 seconds (yes, you come across as THAT guy)

            peace.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5tWT6I1GvY

          • marty mcfly

            It "sounding underground" is not a pigeonhole label. If thats the way it sounds then it is what it is. It either sounds underground or it does not in terms of this particular project produced by Madlib of all people, Smh. Am I unfamiliar with his music? No I gave no indication that was the case or else I would've just said so. The fact is I own most the mans music on CD so therefore I have an in-depth knowledge of his music which further allows me to say with confidence that he is no where close to being the greatest producer of all time. He's dope but he aint even top 5, this nigga couldn't even fuck with Black Milk, let alone the Just Blaze, Dr Dre, Kanye West and Dj Premier etc... As far as you talking about whether the music was good? Thats the prime example of what you like to say is a moot point. NOBODY EXCEPT YOU ever made a comment about it being good or bad. YOU repeatedly made a comment about that as if it carried some kinda point in this. It does not. If somebody says the music is dope then its no need to say its good idiot. That has already been made clear. When NOBODY other then you made any type of comment about whether or not it was good in the first place then its no need to continuously make the same pointless comment. Is Madlib the GOAT? NO, why because you have to be a certain kinda idiot to even suggest such foolishness. ANYBODY with even the slightest knowledge of Hip Hop culture would clearly say NO he is not the greatest. That includes even the most hardcore Madlib fans (other then you cause your probably a Madlib faggot) and that includes Madlib himself because if somebody asked him if he's the greatest im sure he would say fuck no. Given the easily researchable history of hip hop culture and the several producers who have put up multiple certified classics that not only impact, influence and progress the culture, and also stretch beyond just the underground, its no way that opinion is even debatable. The answer to whether or not Madlib is the greatest is clearly NO cause anything otherwise is delusional or just plain stupid. Now you keep saying your trolling, and? Ok so not only does that make you even more of a fukboy but the fact that you logic, hip hop knowledge and overall common sense, has been completely destroyed and you invite it suggest that you are happy being a complete idiot. Put a gun in your mouth, pull the trigger and take your life immediately. Good day sir

          • marty mcfly

            This whole project is so obviously underground that it damn near should've been named The Underground. Smh

        • wat

          A few beats (namely Scarface) are "underground" sounding but otherwise they're just really soulful sampled beats which prevalent in both underground and non-underground. Beats like Shitsville and Pinata aren't soulful but those would EASILY be used by a non-underground artist.

      • hiphopanon

        mainstream to me is whats on the radio.. by that definition the beats are anything BUT mainstream. still irrelevant tho. good music is good music fuck focusing facedown

        • wat

          But that would be calling people like Action Bronson, Big K.R.I.T., Ab-Soul, etc. underground, which they're not. There's definitely a grey area between underground and mainstream and Pinata is sitting comfortably there.

          • hiphopanon

            the difference there is that those artists you listed so desperately want to be accepted by the mainstream.. gibbs and madlib comfortably do not give a fuck. good music is good music

          • wat

            I'd disagree about Bronson. He doesn't give a fuck either lol

          • hiphopanon

            nah he even said himself thats why he linked with harry fraud

          • marty mcfly

            Again fools, you have underground and mainstream and this is underground (which there is nothing wrong with that so your point about it being good music is moot point since I clearly said it was a dope album). If your gonna say that beats from Madlib is somehow a middle ground?smh Then its still underground. The term "underground" in Hip Hop of course refers to the sound but also it refers to what is "under" the mainstream radar or what caters to people on the outside of mainstream Hip Hop. This album is underground or underground sounding. Action Bronson is underground or underground sounding, Ab Soul is underground sounding regardless of how mainstream you view him as. Big Krit is probably a little more mainstream. This album doesn't take a rocket scientist to hear that its obviously underground sounding.

          • marty mcfly

            Ab Soul can go both ways musically but with me saying this project with beats by fucking Madlib is "underground sounding"... There shouldn't be much argument against what the sound obviously is.

          • hiphopanon

            i dont care which direction they go, just make good music!

          • hiphopanon

            hey "fool", i already said its anything BUT mainstream.

    • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

      Madlib is probably the greatest producer out now my friend. Most producers cannot spin a boring basic beat and bring pure perfection. Even ALC tries and a lot of his shit ends up sounding like throwaways. I definitely do not agree there.

      • hiphopanon

        ie. russian roulette

        • Selorm Amuzu

          @disqus_5WLJUfoXxE:disqus @hiphopanon and all others : SHUT UP AND ENJOY THIS SHIT REGARDLESS OF HOW UNDERGROUND AND MAINSTREAM IT IS! GOOD MUSIC IS ABOVE WHAT GROUNDS OF MUSIC ANYWAYS!

          • hiphopanon

            hate to quote myself but,

            "good music is good music i dont care who fucks or doesnt fuck with it."

            quit yellin! lol

          • Selorm Amuzu

            lool just peace-keeping

          • Selorm Amuzu

            there's nuffin worst than arguing on a topic everyone agrees on haha

          • hiphopanon

            thats true but @marty thinks madlib is subpar to hip hops elite producers and thats absolute blasphemy. lol no agreement whatsover.

          • marty mcfly

            I didnt say he's subpar, YOU did

          • hiphopanon

            nooo im pretty sure you listed 2 paragraphs of producers you think are better. stop back peddling

          • marty mcfly

            What Im I back peddling bitch? YES I listed a bunch of producers that I feel are better and I feel some of them are ALOT better and ALL of them are better period. Again Madlib is dope but nigga its no way in fuck that this niggas choppy sampling ass is the greatest producer in hip hop. Not now, not ever bitch.

          • marty mcfly

            I said it was dope. Matter fact I said the ten of the songs were "damn near a flawless victory" but because I didnt just talk about how this album is the greatest piece of music to ever hit the human ears, me saying it was dope aint enough for you fucks.

          • hiphopanon

            can you handle people disagreeing with you and having credible evidence to support? i have no problem accepting your opinion as your own but you on the other hand cannot accept mine and absolutely HAVE TO get the (disrespectful) last word all the while pretending to be superior. FOH bro youre lame as fuck

          • marty mcfly

            Bitch your arguing about the music being good when nobody said it wasn't. You think the music is good? OK faggot, obviously I and others thought the same thing. When you talk about Madlib being the GOAT, well of course im gonna disagree cause thats obviously some Madlib dick sucking fuckery.

          • hiphopanon

            i'll take that as a "no, i cant handle other people disagreeing with me and having credible evidence to support. and yes, i absolutely need the last (disrespectful) word " ... is that you lord jamar?

          • hiphopanon

            "Madlib is probably "The greatest producer out now"? GTFOH" -YOU... this is what weve been talking about... shouldnt that be obvious by now?

          • marty mcfly

            NO bitch, your mad because I said his music is dope and most of the album is dope and the album overall his dope but your fucking upset because I didnt say it was "good"? Look idiot, if I says the music is dope and Madlib is dope as a producer then thats saying its good dumbass. Just cause im not making some far out bullshit claim about how Madlib is the GOAT or the greatest now or whatever bullshit you trying to say, doesn't mean I didnt think the music was good. Clearly I did fool. I went so far as to list ten songs and elaborate on them being dope you fucking dickrider.

      • marty mcfly

        Madlib is probably "The greatest producer out now"? GTFOH. Madlib is dope but if I had to choose between him and ALC? Im going with the Alchemist. Kanye West is probably "The greatest producer out now", Madlib? Not so much

        • hiphopanon

          its not a hard claim to back that madlib is the GOAT of this hip hop shit... just look at his discography.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madlib_discography

          • marty mcfly

            Then go look at Dj Premier's discography

          • marty mcfly

            Then look at Pete Rock, Dr Dre, Just Blaze, Alchemist, Hi Tek, 9th Wonder, J Dilla, Black Milk, RZA, Justice League, Khrysis, Pharrell, Timbaland, P Diddy, Illmind, Jake One, Jazzy Jeff, Ski Beatz, Swizz Beatz, Evidence, No I.D etc... So is Madlib the GOAT of hip hop producers? NO

          • marty mcfly

            Statik Selektah, Marco Polo, Apollo Brown, and one of my favorites Danger Mouse etc... Madlib is dope but the GOAT? NO

          • hiphopanon

            lol... yes he is. and i think they all would say dilla and he would say madlib. especially now after lib's past 5years of releases. which you apparently have been hitting the snooze button through

          • marty mcfly

            If I been hitting the snooze button on Madlib (which I have not), who's fault would that be? Im I supposed to jump for joy every time he puts some shit out? NO. If you wanna wait til you die to ask Dilla who he thinks is the best producer then you can do that but if you tell me to go look at Madlib's discography and I say go look at Premier's then im not just basing that on who Dilla would've said is dope. Im basing that on dope work period and a list of classics thats probably number in triple digits at ths point. if you think Madlib is better then the producers I named then so be it but I dont. Me not thinking Madlib is the GOAT of all hip hop producers is not my fault.

          • hiphopanon

            no, it just shoots your credibility in the conversation down a few notches (when youre not educated on the artists you speak of), thats all. help me help you!

          • marty mcfly

            What am I not educated about in terms of Madlib? You saying am not educated on him, I never said I wasn't. In fact me knowing about Madlibs music is exactly why I can say with confidence that he's not the GOAT.

          • hiphopanon

            Lootpack
            Quas (all three)
            Yesterdays New Quintet (played all instruments live, himself)
            Madvillain
            Shades of Blue
            Champion Sound
            Seeds
            In Search of Stoney Jackson
            Liberation
            OJ Simpson
            Mind Fuzion 1-5
            Beat Konducta 1-6

            Medicine Show 1-THIRTEEN

            Pinata

            thats just off the top of my head... i seriously doubt youve taken the time to listen to all this music. based on your opinion of pinata.. its clear you skimmed the lp with your dismissive vocab. "the other tracks is meh." most likely youve grown accustom to the sounds theyve force fed, so when something like this comes about it doesnt compute through your neural pathways.

          • marty mcfly

            Fool I said ten songs off the Pinata album was "damn near a flawless victory" and I said the album was dope. How much more positive would you like me to say? I said some songs was meh but I also said the album was dope. Im just not dickriding the shit like its the illest shit on the planet. I could make lists of projects that legendary producers made too and not only would they also have multiple dope songs but some of those projects would be the foundation to what some of the sounds of hip hop are and some of them would be clearly evolution points in hip hop that changed almost the entire direction of the culture as a whole so you making a list of Madlib shit aint impressing me or doing much to make your argument any stronger. I could make a list of Dj Premier shit that would clearly outdo that list but since you his music already (like I've been up on Madlib since like forever) then I dont need to.

          • hiphopanon

            difference is ive listened to all of dj premiers music... you havent listend to madlibs.. and the past 5 years have been his illest. you cant take in a project in its entirety during a weeks time (and thats assuming you got the leak). even your god jay z said that

          • marty mcfly

            Who told you I haven't listened to Madlibs music? I bought and own most of the shit you listed and I've definitely have heard the shit he released in the last 5 years so thats why I have the opinion I do. Most of the music your talking about from Madlib, I went out and bought from the record store and own a hard copy of and alot of it is just meh. Its not bad but its not like its that fire either. The shit is a chopping and sampling and some of it is interesting but you acting like its the fucking illest shit ever and its just not. Its just cool.

          • marty mcfly

            Every classic beat Dj Premier has ever made >>>

          • hiphopanon

            subjective opinion

          • marty mcfly

            subjective opinion supported by decades of evidence musically.

          • hiphopanon

            try again

          • hiphopanon

            dj premier could not have produced this album.

          • marty mcfly

            He might have produced a better album then this.

          • hiphopanon

            never. a LOT of people think premier drums are corny.. and what premo produced lp has gotten this much buzz in the past 5 years?

          • marty mcfly

            Alot of people dont even know Madlib exist and when you play people his music they say its meh or its cool but thats about it. Premier's drums at this point are damn near the foundational sounds of what boom bap is in hip hop culture. If Premier's drums are corny then Madlibs is cornier cause his drums are so lightweight at times they have little to no head nod effect. Meanwhile Premo put so many classics up with those drums, he could do an instrumental concert all night and people would lose their minds. Madlib? Not so much

          • hiphopanon

            and not one fuck is given if you (meaning anyone) dont know who madlib is... and that might be true on the east coast. but a lot of west coasters dont roll with premo like that.. and madlib sells out everywhere he goes whether its 45s only or MCing. WTF are you talking about?

          • marty mcfly

            Well I know who Madlib is and been knowing who he is for more then a decade and have most of music so my opinion comes from having been known his music. So yes Premo is better and thats the opinion on all coasts fool. The only one arguing anything different is you. Even Madlib himself would say Premo is better unless he's a fucking idiot.

          • marty mcfly

            RZA

            Wu-Tang Forever
            OB4CL1&2
            Tical 1&2000
            Liquid Swords
            Wu Syndicate
            Iron Man
            Supreme Clientele
            Bulletproof Wallets
            Bobby Digital In Stereo
            The Man With The Iron Fists
            Twelve Reasons
            etc...

          • hiphopanon

            just the medicine show lps alone are on that level if not better and most DEFINITELY more rare diggs.

          • marty mcfly

            No there not. I list classic material, you list shit cause its underground but not musically better material.

          • hiphopanon

            thats a subjective oppinion... please get yourself educated on logical fallacies... and yes, the digs are FAR superior and waaaay more rare.

          • marty mcfly

            My opinion is that your this upset over me initially saying the fucking album was dope? I could only imagine how you would react if I said it was wack. Your subjective opinion is overruled by reality fukboy. Madlib is not the greatest producer in hip hop end of story.

          • marty mcfly

            Thats like if you ask ten fans of hip hop if Madlib is better then Dr Dre and six of them say who is Madlib? and the other four say hell no Madlib aint better then Dr Dre. How much are you gonna fault them for not knowing Madlib or their opinion of his beats in comparison with the other greats? If Madlib is the GOAT of hip hop producers but most people cant name multiple dope records from him then is that really their fault or is it that Madlib is probably not the GOAT?

          • hiphopanon

            so fame matters more than the actual artform now..?

          • marty mcfly

            NO

          • hiphopanon

            ok then fuck your last statement/metaphor. lol

          • marty mcfly

            NO the artists I listed aint better because their famous. Their better because they make better beats then Madlib does.

          • hiphopanon

            swing and a miss

          • marty mcfly

            delusional Madlib dick sucking

          • hiphopanon

            youre sucking MY dick at this point. hop off

          • marty mcfly

            No bitch no, your ridiculous belief that Madlib is the GOAT of all producers in hip hop shows what a Madlib dickrider you are because that is a ridiculous opinion. You gotta be a fucking Madlib fanatic to really belief such foolishness. Madlib is dope yeah, but no need to deepthroat his dick just because I said his music is dope and you feel I didnt say enough about it.

          • hiphopanon

            let the record show that i asked marty to stop sucking my dick and his response was "No bitch no"

          • marty mcfly

            NO but if I mention someone like Kanye West in comparison with Madlib or even ALC in comparison? Their fame is based on the artform. If Kanye West didnt make beats that were great then I couldn't make the comparison but clearly he has. 9th Wonder is famous but his beats are dope as well so its not about the fame.

          • hiphopanon

            kanye hasnt made a beat by himself in almost a DECADE... just looks at the liner notes. and alchemists attempt at sounding like madlib was a flop. ie russian roulette. and 9th wonder has used the same drum line since he started. lol

          • marty mcfly

            But they all have consistently made better beats and better records then Madlib.

          • hiphopanon

            nope

          • marty mcfly

            YES BITCH YES. You talk about the last 5 years of Madlib? In the last 5 years ALC has put out The Antidote (Fashawn), Gutter Water & V&A (Gangrene), Covert Coup, 360 Waves, Lord Steppington, and a bunch of other beats here and there that are better then Madlibs shit. Same with 9th Wonder but I;ll give him and Madlib a even rating even though I feel 9th has better beats. I shouldn't even have to speak on Kanye West cause the moment I said he has made better shit then Madlib you should've STFU from that point based on common sense.

          • hiphopanon

            if kanye actually produced his own records that would be a different story. kanye is probably the greatest EXECUTIVE producer of all time. slightly ahead of dr.dre in MY book (note to readers.. my book and your book do NOT have to be identical)

          • marty mcfly

            He produced College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation, MBDTF, WTT and Yeezus you stupid fuck. The fact that he also works with other producers still does not help your argument cause the end result is his music comes out better then Madlibs period. If Madlib wants to work with other people he can and he has before and the end result is still Kanye is a better producer then Madlib.

          • marty mcfly

            Dr Dre is also a better producer then Madlib. You think differently because your an idiot.

          • marty mcfly

            If ALC was attempting to sound like Madlib? Then he accomplished sounding better then Madlib as well and the archive of incredible records by Alchemist that out number Madlibs is proof of that. 9th Wonder uses the same drum line but the beats are still musically better then Madlibs. I get what Madlib does and appreciate that and thats cool and everything. As far as him being the greatest producer in Hip Hop? Thats delusional to say the least.

          • hiphopanon

            LOL. you need an ear examine if you think russian roulette was on madlibs level.

          • marty mcfly

            Madlib has no level. He's been on the same underground level his entire career. ALC chooses to be there, not cause he cant make anything that strikes the culture as being anything dope.

          • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

            Marty did you just say ALC and 9th are better than Madlib!? I think it is obvious now LOL! ALC has been putting out rather bland ass beats, not to mention Lord Steppington was mediocre at best, I would say fundamentally basic.

            It is your opinion, however it is not based on fact. It would be like saying Chance is better than Kendrick, people would snarl at that type of comment, and say the exact same thing I am saying now. A good opinion, but that is all it is because Chance cannot hold a candle to Lamar, Like 9th or ALC can't to Madlib.

            To say they are better than Madlib, is like saying they are better than Dilla, because they both have the same musical progression and patterns in their work.

          • marty mcfly

            If I said they were better then Dilla? You think I couldn't show evidence of songs that are hip hop classics for the producers that I claim are better? So that would mean its more then just my opinion and that there is some evidence that backs its up. If I say ALC is better then Madlib and Dilla, trust me ALC has enough music out to where I could make that case. I wont say he's better the Dilla and most of my decision to not say that is based on Dilla being dead. Now Dilla is dope of course but if I wanted I could take a bunch of hip hop producers and make the case that they have made better music then Dilla did overall. I think you and the other guy are caught up in production styles so you believe that the style of Madlib and Dilla automatically makes them better then everybody else? NO its does not. You could have a more intricate style then Kanye but if Kanye still make the better beat in the end then it is what it is. Madlib and Dilla had an influence on Just Blaze, Nottz and Kanye West etc... Does that mean just because they influenced that their automatically better? Fuck NO

          • marty mcfly

            Be real with yourself. Madlib had the least amount of impact and dope production in hip hop culture then probably all those producers I listed. You saying Madlib is better then all those producers either means your disconnected from reality, the ultimate Madlib dickrider or just plain stupid and thats not a diss to Madlib but lets be real here. NO Madlib is not the GOAT producer, he's a dope producer but lets not go completely crazy.

          • hiphopanon

            be real with YOURSELF. madlib is the king of DIY indie hip hop and he is one of the biggest reason Stones Throw is what it is today... the illest indie label out. (and again with your dismissive vocab, padawan)

          • marty mcfly

            Ok and Dj Premier is one of the biggest reasons why Hip Hop culture has so many classic records. Dr Dre is one of the biggest reasons why westcoast rap has so many classics. Kanye West, Just Blaze, Swizz Beatz, 9th Wonder, ALC, Pete Rock etc... All made alot of the most dope imprints in Hip Hop what they are today, and? So Madlib doing what he did for indie hip hop dont mean he's the best for doing it.

          • hiphopanon

            no, but you just refuted your own statement from the previous comment... so there is that.

            BUT lets be real. top 5 prods is whatever producers the indiv who makes the list likes the most. i choose madlib for subjective and empirical reasons... to argue with that is simply foolish. just like me arguing with you about preem NOT being the GOAT would be foolish. youre acting like we're talking about hit-boy or some shit. this is madlib yo. his track record is full and impeccable

          • marty mcfly

            Thats a cop out taken by most people when their opinion about something starts to sound ridiculous. You say the argument is foolish, ok but whats closer to the truth or seems to be closer to the truth? Madlib being the GOAT or Madlib being dope but NOT the GOAT? If I make a list of producers that I feel is better then Madlib it aint just my opinion talking its also a shit load of evidence to support that claim.

          • hiphopanon

            beginning to feel like you know nothing about observing art.

          • marty mcfly

            Im beginning to feel like your secretly in love with Madlib being that your arguing with somebody who clearly was saying the majority of this album was dope and I said none of it wack. I said the rest of the songs were meh and thats what got you about to cry. Take Madlibs dick out your asshole faggot. Your mad cause I said his music his dope instead of saying his music is good. Stop crying bitch

          • hiphopanon

            LOL!

          • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

            You do realize Alc, and 9th Wonder are underground acts to right? Many producers of late that you have seen in this generation and the previous, have been influenced by Madlib. The way you are conveying your message begs me to believe J. Dilla, Eric B, Exile and the like are not important, because they were acts who were either underground are not all that well known.

            There is only one other producer who can flip a beat like Madlib and that is Dilla, you are seeing the last of a dying generation, and peeps like you think Premo can hold a candle to this guy!? Listen to his catalog then evaluate.

          • marty mcfly

            ALC and 9th Wonder are underground, and? So What? If Madlib influenced them? So What? Does that mean Madlib is better then everybody he influenced and better then every producer that influenced him? I never said underground acts weren't important but you just did. You say only Dilla can flip a beat like Madlib? I highly doubt that. I think other producers can flip a beat the same way if they wanted to but the choose not to because they have their own style. Kanye, Premo, Just Blaze, Nottz etc... could do the same kinda beat as Dilla or Madlib if they wanted to but why? They have their own style already. You talk about Dj Premier as if he's wack compared to Madlib? Homie I dont need to check Madlibs catalog cause I have damn near his whole catalog already but you may wanna check out Dj Premiers because once I said his name the conversation should been over. There is no way in hell Madlib is a greater producer the Premier and if thats true then Madlib has to have made more hip hop classics records then Premier which he has not. You talk as if Madlib is the greater then everybody but the only two people i've ever heard say that is you and that other fool I was talking to. I talk to any other fan of hip hip and ask them if Madlib is better then everybody else they gon say fuck no. Just cause he's dope don't mean he is better then the legends of hip hop. Now as far as popularity goes and being well known? DJ Premier, Dr Dre, Kanye West are obviously more well known then Madlib, does that mean their ultimately better? NO but them being as well known as they are is evidence that their music is connecting with people. This is why I brought up the point I did earlier about who's fault is it if Madlib is unknown to somebody. If you take a fan of hip hop who has been listening to hip hop for the last 20 years and they dont know Madlib then who's fault is that? Is it their fault for not checking everything that comes out from the underground or is it Madlibs fault for not making music they would check for? The last guy said I was "snoozing" on Madlib? So is that my fault for snoozing or madlib's fault for putting me to sleep with is music? Again Madlib is dope but is he greater then everybody else? NO

          • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

            Read your previous post you equate being good with being known LOL! You said that, I corrected you being known does not have nothing to do with being influential. I could care less about Premo's catalog, I have all his music and I am not foolish enough to say he is better than Madlib.

            ALC is not even better than any of them, he has about two or three real good albums I fuck with out of a sea of mediocrity LOL! I am not saying ALC is bad, but by all means he is limited. I know longer have interest in this discussion, because you have some form of bias and I know longer care at the moment.

          • marty mcfly

            I dont equate being good with being known. I equate being good with being good. I dont think Premo is dope because he's known, I think he's dope because his beats are dope. YOU could care less about Premo's catalog. Well thats YOU. You say its foolish to say he's better then Madlib but based on catalog it would seem more foolish to take your opinion as Madlib being better. Especially if we base that on classic material. Premo has so much to where I dont even think we could make a list of how many classic beats he has without forgetting some and clearly Madlib does not have the same kinda catalog. Madlib can be dope at making beats all day, but he is not better then ANY legendary Hip Hop producer. You say ALC is limited as if Madlib isnt limited. You make Madlib sound like he's used more techniques in beat making then Kanye West and Just Blaze? Well he has not. I have heard all Madlibs shit and he also has an ocean of mediocre beats so you saying ALC has a sea of mediocrity does not make your argument about Madlib any better cause he has a shit load of beats thats mediocre and some that dont even have a rhythm in which any music can even be created upon. Madlib has a bunch of beats that ended up on instrumental projects cause niggas aint racing to his door for beats fool. Gibbs made a dope album with him but even he has said when he first got the beats he didnt even know if they could be used to make songs. Some would view that as being dope on Madlibs part? Others would say thats kinda wack.

          • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

            He does not have critical acclaimed success fool, so when Champion Sound dropped with him and Dilla nobody was checking for that, you must be daft because it was hailed as a classic, that put them both on the map and they both became bumps on Cartoon network's Adult Swim.

            I know YOU might not like him, but a whole fleet of people would disagree with you, because you are obviously misinformed about his catalog.

            He also delves into Jazz, and other genres of music which also have been excellent projects as well. I never diminished Premo, his most notable work is with Gang starr of course. This does not mean he is bad, but very basic when it comes to production, if I heard a Premo album in this day and age would I like it? yes however, it would be very basic or average compared to someone like Madlib, whose obscure soul samples and snaring off kilter drum breaks can add for an ambient sound that other producers have been biting since the early 2000's.

            The Kanye you love so much, fell over in a chair meeting him for the first time. You are taking a multi-faceted producer and bringing him down to the level of an amateur, and you think nigga's would not call you out on that stupid shit!

          • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

            LOL Marty you just included some weak producers in with some obviously who are legendary. When J.Dilla was alive back in the day you would want production from either him or Madlib, this is case in point. Even Dilla himself acknowledges Madlibs prowess.

            He flips a beat much better than ALC no contest, he is a underground legend. Half the DJ's you mentioned on the list cannot hold a candle to this guy.

            His Quasimoto alter-ego influenced many Mc's in the hip-hop world my friend, you are obviously sleeping, if you think Madvillainy also did not showcase he was one of the best Hip-Hop producers to ever do it.

          • marty mcfly

            What weak producers you talking about? You talk about Dilla alot but just cause Dilla is dope does that mean I have to agree with everything he says? NO. When Dilla was alive I thought he was dope but I also thought there was other dope producers also. So If Dilla acknowledges Madib and I acknowledge Dr Dre, does that mean somehow Madlib is better then Dr Dre just cause Dilla acknowledged him? NO. I dont think Madlib flips a beat better then ALC and even the times where he does I still think ALC ends up with the better songs. You also keep talking about how other producers cant fuck with Madlib or make a beat like Madlib? Id say thats maybe cause their focused on what their doing and not what Madlib is doing. If ALC was asked to make a beat like Madlib? Im sure he could but its no need to do that. You keep talking about Madlib influencing people but what about those that influenced Madlib? You think Madlib aint get influence from DJ Premier? On and MC level, if Madlib influenced Elzhi, Eminem and Jay Electronica does that mean Madlib is a better rapper? NO

          • hiphopanon

            i dont have to. i know it. YOU on the other hand obviously need some education with those dismissive "holier than thou" expressions

    • MewLover34

      You should be hella embarrassed saying Shame, Pinata, Harold's, High, & Robes are "meh"

      • marty mcfly

        Im not. Now take Gibbs dick out your mouth.

  • AndOneill

    Such a dope album!! Been listenin to it a lot the last week! Gibbs kills this shit, his uncle skits be the funniest man

  • Pizza Steve

    Fuck all that bullshit, Gangsta Gibbs just came & DOMINATED!

  • espyy

    ALBUM OF THE YEAR. PERIOD. Gibbs is gangsta and real as fuck. And Madlib is on the best producers (sample making) of history. Legendary album. Waiting for that bonus tracks.

  • Moonie

    Fantastic album! Definitely his best work to date

  • rickoshay

    Got the last copy at bestbuy so either it's selling well or they only had one copy

  • gangsta gibbs

    Album of the year so far. Gibbs is still top 5 in the game right now IMO

  • etienine .

    On sum real shit.. Most underrated in the game! never disappointed when Gibbs and Madlib do there thing. this shit sounds SO FUCKING GOOD threw them speakers.

  • Joe Grasse

    What a good producer can do mannnnn I'm telling ya... taking nothing away from gibbs tho

  • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

    Album was excellent, I can honestly say this album came out in the wrong era. There are classics being made and nigga's are to busy stuck in the past. I can honestly say the future of Hip-Hop is bright, despite what some people are inclined to believe.

    • hiphopanon

      lowkey confused at what youre saying... it came out in the wrong era?.. but then heads are stuck in the past? if heads are stuck in the past, and this should have come out in the past, then those same heads that are stuck in the past should love this album...right? please explain without the contradictions.

      yes, the future is bright for the people who can understand the gravity of albums like this. as much as i hate to say it, projects like pinata are like releasing jazz standards in the disco era. it doesnt matter how great it is.. the golden era of jazz was lost to disco.. similar to how hiphop is lost to... whatever hiphop has become (disco). the underground is where the real mc's/beatmakers always have and always will be.

  • vaci

    smh with niggas arguing over opinions in this post. calm it. solid album.

  • MT300

    Am i the only one who's laughing that this website refuses to mention Odd Future niggas. Anyways, great album from Gibbs and Madlib. Perfect Chemistry