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Kendrick Lamar Is The Best Emcee Of The Digital Era [Who The Hell Am I, 2011]

blame it on Andreas Hale March 16, 2015
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Rather than pen another think piece to add to the glut of columns that have surfaced after the surprise release of Kendrick Lamar’s To Pimp A Butterfly — along with the ridiculous amount of tweets praising its “unapologetic blackness” without really understanding the context of the phrase and how it applies to the album — I decided to revisit a column that I penned back in 2011 titled “Kendrick Lamar Is The Best Emcee Of The Digital Era.” Was the title wrapped in hyperbole? Maybe. But that’s the point.

When the following column was originally written shortly after the release of Section.80, the amount of vitriol it was meant with was interesting, to say the least. Interesting because many felt that the crowning of Lamar was a bit premature and said he needed more time. How convenient it is that, in less than 24 hours after To Pimp A Butterfly hit the web, there are already claims of the album being a classic.

It’s fascinating how the digital era has completely annihilated the concept of a classic. Once upon a time, album reviews by professional journalists hit magazines well before the album was heard by the masses. Once said album finally hit shelves, the people were able to judge without the element of social media and instant gratification of their often uneducated opinions. But, here we are, in an era of extreme turnover where a “hot” song or album can be completely forgotten about in a couple weeks when the new shiny thing releases. The fact that Kendrick Lamar has emerged from the staggering brigade of emcees to be pegged as one of the finest emcees of our time is a testament to his talent. More importantly, it’s not completely out of the blue as elements of what could potentially make him great were visible as early as the release of Section.80. The following column illustrates that and you can praise it, trash it or whatever the hell it is you do with columns. Like most rappers, you’ll forget about this tomorrow anyway.

KENDRICK LAMAR IS THE BEST EMCEE
OF THE DIGITAL ERA

Andreas Hale, July 2011

Around late 2008, hip hop entered the digital era. An era where blogs overtook the web and emcees no longer had to go the conventional route of being heard. Rather than upping the cash for studio time and then pressing up hard copies of CDs, artists began dropping numerous songs and projects on the internet for a relatively low cost. The upside was that the record labels no longer had the power to break artists like they once did. The downside of all this was the fact that the internets were literally crawling with emcees out of ever digital nook and cranny and it became difficult for anyone to keep up with the massive amount of new music hitting the web. Gone are the days when release dates are actually anticipated, and in its place are a glut of disposable emcees who remain hot for the moment and evaporate as soon as the next big thing comes along.

In short, nobody cares as much as they used to. This has easily become the era of music where “too much of a good thing” applies. Nevertheless, there have been a few artists who have separated themselves from the pack of rapping wolves longing to take a bite out of your iPod. Artists like Drake, J. Cole, XV, Big K.R.I.T., Curren$y, Asher Roth and Wale have all used the net to their advantage. But none may possess the potential to impact a generation of ADD hip-hop fans like Kendrick Lamar. Before you go slamming your laptop or iPad in anger while proclaiming that the aforementioned names have either already made it or have a bigger buzz, allow me to explain.

In a post-Obama hip-hop climate, the motivation has changed for many emcees. The music is littered with self-masturbatory riddles where artists spend more time patting their own back rather than speak on society’s ills. Because, frankly, once Barack Obama got in office, everything changed and most forgot what it was they were fighting for. The rhymes about telling the system to kiss our collective ass evaporated because “our” president was now part of that system. Racism isn’t necessarily a thing of the past, but it’s certainly not a topic that is addressed without being provoked. The new generation has a short attention span when it comes to society ills. Sean Bell, Shaniya Davis, Oscar Grant, Danroy Henry and a list of others who have been killed by police are hardly spoken on after the fact. You see, this is a new generation of emcees. A generation that grew up with Playstation, cell phones and the internet. A lazy generation that has all the knowledge in the world at their fingertips, but are too busy on Facebook to care about the Gaza Strip or the root behind our immigration laws. A generation that remembers Tupac and Biggie like I remember Marvin Gaye — too young to truly experience their contributions to music. This isn’t to say that they don’t understand, it’s to say that they digest what they are told about their history without giving it a second thought. Malcolm X and The Black Panther Party are slowly being erased from their memories and few have a clue why Big Daddy Kane is one of the greatest emcees of all time.

It’s certainly a different climate today.

But that’s where Kendrick Lamar differs from the rest. The 24-year-old’s mind is well beyond his years. His rhymes aren’t selfishly scripted into his brain. He has the hunger to be the best but is also much more than “just a rapper.” If Tupac were alive today, he’d be proud of what the Compton emcee has accomplished in his short stay in hip-hop. And it may sound like blasphemy, but Kendrick could be the closest thing to Tupac Shakur meets Ice Cube that we’ve ever seen in terms of being a socially conscious street poet who can weave a narrative just as well as he can destroy a battle emcee – and neither were as lyrically inclined (in a battle rapper sort of way) as Kendrick. Think of him as a hybrid emcee whose parts include N.W.A.‘s street reporter mentality, Tupac’s passion and Nas‘ poetic. Like Tupac, he can go from a cautionary tale of hopeless women working the corner on “Keisha’s Song” to the sh*t talking “The Spiteful Chant” without breaking stride. He’ll wax poetic about how the vice of sex and alcohol can ease the most difficult situation. He’ll spill his guts with the vigor of the most powerful spoken word poet on “The Heart Pt. 2″ and you’ll never once question his passion on either subject. His references of Huey Newton, Malcolm X, Bobby Seale, Marcus Garvey, Serengeti and Illuminati on the J. Cole produced “Hiiipower” would make Chuck D and Immortal Technique nod in appreciation. This is what you get with Kendrick Lamar.

He’s conscious, but not too conscious to the point where he hovers to far over the heads of the streets. Without trying, he can creates music we can all relate to. He wags his finger at haters who spend more time downing other people rather than helping themselves on “Cut You Off (To Grow Closer)” and can just kick a rhyme about the opposite sex on “She Needs Me (Rmx).” And if you need evidence that Kendrick can just crush a track, look no further than what he demonstrated on over Kanye West‘s “Monster.”

He comes from the the streets of Compton so his desire to do better and make it is believable. He’s never been in a gang and that’s a sign of independence. His raspy tone reflects life whose oxygen has been littered with trails of gun smoke. He’s unlike any of his peers but all of his peers can relate to something about him.

He’s your favorite rapper’s favorite rapper. And anyone that claims that Kendrick Lamar sits high on their list, likely have a number of different reasons as to why he sits there. Some may identify with his Cali roots while others enjoy his awareness of the social climate. If you think of all the great rappers in the history of the culture, nearly all had something to say. None were rhyming arbitrarily to be posted on anyone’s blog. Kendrick Lamar didn’t need a cosign, it was just too hard to deny his talent.

Without a single big name behind him, he paved his way with his Top Dawg Entertainment family behind him. And now look at him. He’s in the studio with Dr. Dre, has people like J. Cole saying that they want to put together a collaborative project with him and his Section.80 album is arguably the best project this year.

For this writer, his rhymes were the jumper cables that kick started my engine that has been locked in cruise control for the past few years. There are several rappers that I can personally remember who brought me “back” to hip-hop when the music turned me away. Kendrick Lamar has become one of those esteemed emcees who I’ll reflect on and remember what exactly was going on when I heard his music and what it did for me.

This is why he’s the best emcee of the digital era and could top many top 10 lists before its all said and done.

But I’m just a critic, who the hell am I?

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  • Arun Gopal

    Great article, and a good point.

  • LKA9D4

    King Kendrick.
    To Pimp A Butterfly is a classic.

    Overly Dedicated, Section 80, GKMC, TPAB are all amazing projects.

    Kendrick is the best of this era.

    • newman

      nice av bro

    • jordan

      holy shit, its been out for 30 minutes and your calling it a classic already? wtf is wrong with you!

      • MidKnightMaRawder

        why cant he call it classic? i dont understand. Why is up to you what a word means to someone else?

        • jordan

          first off all ur a hypocrite. second, this is a general discussion. 3rd nobody in the right world says something is classic that has just dropped literally several hours ago. you cornball dick riding, sensitive, bitches are defending not kendrick but his stans from a fucking comment section. “judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.”

          • JEM

            Is he the biggest hypocrite of 2015 tho?

          • LupeX

            ^^^you win! hahahaha

          • Pingerz

            hahahhaha eat my ass fiend

          • MidKnightMaRawder

            Nah, classic to me means: An album that is amazing in every musical aspect. I don’t care about any other definition. This album is a classic.

          • Tekwon

            There’s been at least a few albums over the years that I considered instant classics after 1 listen and didn’t take me a period of time to figure out a personal opinion.

      • Stian Nicolaysen

        It’ been out for 12 hours + in Europe, and I can tell you, this album is on another level conceptual. You got to listen to it probably 10 times before you catch all the musical elements and all he is saying. It’s gonna be a future classic.

        • jordan

          listen im not denying that its not a great album, i never mentioned that. all i said its little to early to judge the album and say its a classic. i dont give a fuck if the album was out last week or two months ago,

          • Stian Nicolaysen

            People called GKMC a instant classic. You can’t predict the future, but this is one of the albums that will stand the test of time. A album you can pick up ten years from now and bump. I can’t say that about a lot of albums that been released the last 5 years.

          • jordan

            thats the issue, there isnt many great albums, and soon as a good album drops, everybody calls it a classic.

    • Flip

      take his cock out your mouth bro

      • MidKnightMaRawder

        whay are you so mad at a stranger liking something? lol

    • M Spacely

      Kendrick’s the G.O.A.T. in my opinion…. this album is not on the level of section.80 or GKMC. Its very good, classic is kinda taking it a step too far on the day it dropped

      • jordan

        and goat is not taking it step too far?

    • MusicHead

      Nigga on a 3 album classic streak last nigga to do that was Kanye.

    • ODM

      Don’t forget the Kendrick Lamar EP. Severely underrated and one his best projects.

  • Check

    I like Kendrick’s entire discography (for the most part) but I’m not fucking with this album sonically. The lyricism might be there, but the overall sound, (production wise) is not to my liking. My prediction is that the hype is going to subside, this is definitely NOT a classic.

    • BounceB

      I think content wise, impact, instrumentation its a classic but It does take some time to get used too musically because its just not what we are used to hearing with hip-hop these days so it comes off a little boring at times and lyrically while the message is great its not the best strictly lyrical work we’ve seen but its so dang thought provoking and concept driven beautifully..definitely takes a few listens to fully understand though and appreciate…this album will be a critical masterpiece but as far as the mainstream may be a let down as far as urban appeal, radio, club etc…but then again Kendrick is one of the few artists that make what he wants and changes the landscape forcing clubs radio to play his stuff only a few artists out like that now Jay, Ye, Eminem, J. Cole there songs get mainstream play even when there not commercial records where as most artists have to construct songs for radio to get played..only time will tell with this…

      • Mez D

        Cole’s mainstream records are mostly pretty commercial sounding.
        I think Kendrick is the only artist to really achieve mainstream success with non-commercial sounding hits.
        But yeah I agree.

        • JEM

          The only ones I can think of in the last 17 years that were able to do what Kendrick is doing are really Lauryn Hill, and Nas.

          (With the exception of Nastradamus)

          At least in my opinion.

          • MusicHead

            Fact.

        • BounceB

          yea but I feel like his recent records from his last album were not commercial now his first two definitely..but I keep hearing a song like apparently on the radio and feel like that was just a real record not made to be commercial or anything…people just bought into him and not the singles now think he finally crossed over to success without having to make radio club friendly songs with this last album..I feel like GKMC had commercial records though the song with Dre, that Hit-Boy record, and Poetic Justice with drake were all commercially drawn records but I think him and Cole at a level now where they fanbases are loayl they dont need commercial records for acceptance or too do ridiculous sales

          • Mez D

            Oh word I didn’t know Apparently was on the radio. I’m just saying even Kendrick’s radio singles didn’t sound like typical radio songs to me at all, whereas I noticed that for Cole or like Wale to ever get a radio hit it had have like an rnb singer or something, but yeah Cole is at a point where he can move hella albums strictly off his fans/skill as opposed to finding hits which is great

          • MusicHead

            Backseat Freestyle not commerical that just some fire joint we needed..

        • AdolfMayneRuffin

          Poetic justice,swimming pools, the recipe backs treat freestyle shit even blow my high had pop rap sensibilities

    • danu

      i anticipate a lot of people feeling the way you do..its not the most accessible project, in fact it follows up his most accessible project by far in GKMC but that just makes it that much greater imo, he rediscovered his roots and embrace them fully and.. to me…this might just be his best project to date, the lyrics are more cutting and poignant then they’ve ever been from him, and production is adventurous and to do this in climate of 808’s and trap arrangements (which i also enjoy a lot) is just fearless to me, this will go down in history, i know i’m hype but this is just how i honestly feel bout this lp

    • Dango

      Couldn’t agree with you more. It’s lacking that “wow” factor that other classics have. I just don’t get good feelings from it.

    • Jheri Mars

      It’s not to your liking cause there is no turn up song or banger for you to go bump. The production on this album fucking crazy man.

      • Selorm Amuzu

        Stop using that as an excuse… It’s played out

        • Kidd

          What the production? I personally fuck with this album but my first experience with music was Parliament so I may be a bit biased lol

          • Selorm Amuzu

            Yhh I love how dudes like explain someone not liking an album cos they dont have a “turn-up” track, Thats silly and retarded. I like this but I have refrained from gassing myself cos it seems people are gassing themselves too much

          • Kidd

            I agree. Mindless dickriders and mindless haters are just two sides of the same coin. Smh

        • Sticky

          Doesn’t make it untrue. A lot of people only like that rap. Nothing wrong with it really but personally I don’t think you can consider yourself a rap fan if you can’t appreciate lyricism

          • Selorm Amuzu

            I still think it’s silly way to hate on someone’s taste in rap especially in the digital age where it is hard to be exposed to 1 form of music

          • Sticky

            No hate for it but there’s a lot of people who are very one-dimensional with the music they listen to and I’d never recommend this album to them

          • Selorm Amuzu

            Even those who only listen to boom bap ?

          • Sticky

            Hah true that was a generalization. I’d recommend this album to them but I wouldn’t recommend any Travis Scott.

          • Check

            Expand your aesthetic tastes :) … Travis Scott is a maestro. Overall formidable artist. Rodeo one of the best projects of last year undeniably. fuck opinions though, forreal objectively

          • Sticky

            Yeah it was one of my favorite also lol, never said anything bad about it

          • Check

            Ah.. you said you wouldn’t recommend him to boom-bap listeners lol. Didn’t read whole thread proprly!

          • MusicHead

            Exactly & he gon have aibun of the year.

        • MusicHead

          It’s not one.

          • Selorm Amuzu

            It is, would people say the same thing if Kendrick applied this aesthetic on a trap beat ?

          • MusicHead

            If every song was trap driven like how every song is neo soul driven..someone would say the album trash, they may the beats fire but you get what I’m saying , the whole point the album is dope..

      • MusicHead

        Fact.

    • MassConglom

      Sonically huh, aka “Not enough Trap beats”,lol.

      • Check

        Bullshit. I like gr8 production in general, you think I’m all about that trap shit? Nah. This LP’s sound holistically, sucks, it’s just my opinion.

      • Check

        If you wna gauge my “sonic” preferences listen to Flylos “You’re Dead!” that dropped last year, that’s outstanding production. Kendrick raps on one of those tracks, and it sounds fucking amazing.

        • Sticky

          Kind of weird you don’t like this production if you’re a FlyLo fan but to each his own. I really liked how much thundercat and terrace Martin there is

          • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

            Especially considering that this was in fact based on flylo’s production. Flylo on Twitter tells how the concept and musical style of TPABF came about. Just by giving him beats, it changed the idea of how he wanted his album to sound, and where he wanted to take it. Hence why it is similar to You’re Dead.

          • Check

            Nah, I have that album on rotation a few times a week man. Flylos album is more jazzy less funk, and has a distinct melancholic overtone… More timeless of a sound too.

          • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

            Your opinion, but the sounds are radically the same. The only difference is Flylo adds experimental beats into the composition. Songs like Siren Song on the YD LP have a clear indicator of Funk elements woven into it. I find both similar in sound, hence why I like this album so much.

          • Check

            I won’t deny that there are standout tracks, but for the album to be called classic, it needs to work holistically/systemically. I simply can not listen to this album from start to finish without skipping tracks. I haven’t seen the production credits so I can’t comment on that, but I’m sure the Thundercat joints are of those I fux with.

          • Sticky

            He’s on just about every track doing bass or vocals

          • Check

            Ahite… 1 and 5 features

          • Sticky

            1, 3, 5, 7, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16

          • aura nona

            Maybe it might grow into you, that is the intention of that sonic choice, as opposed to trap type of production, the intention is not to capture your attention with an easy listen.

  • Flyin_1stclass

    The message in his new LP speaks VOLUMES ! Kendrick just moved a lot of people with this project its gona be ringing bells for years to come

  • ilamarca

    I’m sure I’ll get destroyed for this, but in my personal opinion, Section. 80 is still my favorite Kendrick project.

    The message was there (and more relatable since I’m a white man born in 86) and the sound itself was the most enjoyable. I get the message and lyrics on the last 2 projects, but front to back Section. 80 with the weaved tracks (Her Vice, Her Evils, His Vice, Her Pain) and Interludes (Chapter 6, Chapter 10) to go along with Fuck Your Ethnicity, Hol’ Up, ADHD, Ronald Regan Era, Spiteful Chant and Rigamortus that project was perfect IMO.

    “You know why we crack babies? Because we’re born in the 80’s that ADHD crazy.”

    Too real.

    • MidKnightMaRawder

      Same here. Technically that is his first major project so to me that is his first album. And to me his best.

      • Check

        Overly Dedicated was his first major project [edit] and was better than Section.80 IMO

        • traplordcory

          That was a tape though.

          • Check

            Not technically. All original production, no?

          • Check

            It’s not on the wiki page under discography, but I think it was a major project. Literally had like a 1000 comments on 2dopeboyz when it dropped.

          • traplordcory

            It’s on livemixtapes.. It’s a tape. I get what you saying though. It was a major project for sure.

        • MidKnightMaRawder

          I don’t think he charged money for that so I think OD is a mixtape. A really good one of course.

          • Check

            At this point it’s fucking interchangeable. I’ve seen artists call free “mixtapes” albums. My definition of an album is a project with all original production.

          • MidKnightMaRawder

            To each his own I guess. To me an album is music with a price. If it’s free, it’s a tape.

          • ilamarca

            Its got a price on iTunes so apparently its an album haha.

            Either way, the quality is album worthy. I do believe GKMC was his first “Major Label” debut with OD and S80 put out as albums on TDE alone (no Aftermath/Interscope).

            Still, Section 80 holds its own against OD, if only for Michael Jordan.

          • MidKnightMaRawder

            That’s true, but it’s also on Datpiff lol.

        • JEM

          All of his stuff is good IMO.

          He really is consistent at putting out well rounded projects lyrically, and musically.

          Unlike somebody like Blu for example.

    • Trevor Hurst

      I agree. Loved that record. Still listen to it all the time.

    • who cares

      Agreed. Section.80 is the only album of his I can listen to front-to-back without even thinking about skipping a song. It’s so fluid and consistent.

    • SJB

      So happy to see that there are 12 others who agree with me! Whenever I say this people think I’m nuts, and maybe it is a white thing, but Section.80 spoke to me on a level that the brilliant GKMC could not.

    • MistaMista

      This is too real. Born in 1990 but I feel you. It’s my favourite piece of work by him. I don’t know about “best” but it does it for me the most.

  • Flip

    Kendrick Lamar makes music for niggas who get run out the hood and got no swag

    • Exhibit C

      Or for people who can use their brains and aren’t easily influenced by people like you who think having swag and being in the hood are the keys to life.

    • ilamarca

      You talking about the ones who get their ass beat for being wack then make it out he hood on scholarship start running their own business and never look back?

      If so, yeah you right…

      • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

        Thats oreo logic, plus Kendrick is as Black American as it gets. No White boy twang in his voice, mannerism, or sympathy from them, just a respectable guy from the inner city who is PROUD of his heritage, and also tries not to fit into what society wants to envision him to be. This is what it means. He respects where he comes from. Niggas who you described become Larry Elders, and uphold a bs capitalist system that fuck’s us all up. Not what the AA community needs.

        • Sticky

          Complexion ain’t a thang

        • JEM

          Yeah, I’m pretty sure Kendrick would never forget where he comes from. He been said that numerous of times.

        • Dat nigga with tha balance lol

          Kendrick makes money in that capitalist system. bcuz only in a capitalist system can you profit and capitalize on a “anti capitalist” market. he makes money for himself as well as the exact same ppl he be “speaking out against.” I guess, idk. never understood the concept of a major label indie artist but you know, whatever. all I know is i’d take a drug dealer over a hypocrite anyday, but you know, I be thinking.

          you talking about holding up a capitalist system? isn’t that what TDE did by signing with interscope instead of staying indie in the first place? yo, Kendrick is great in all, but I think ppl need to get their heads out the clouds and get back to concrete reality. I get tired of ppl getting put up on pedastools bcuz they “talk” about what needs to change. like damn doggy, that music been around since forever, when has the change ever came? anyway, I think kdot is a jayz in a nas body anyway.

          • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

            I think you misunderstand, I was not saying Kendrick is apart of the capitalists system. I said those in favor of the capitalists system that happen to be black and successful, do not benefit the AA community. This system does not benefit Blacks, especially foreign born Blacks AKA Africa, because they do not have rights to their own resources and land. They lose out, which is why the invaders invest and keep them in a groveling position that helps increase Africa’s poor. While lining their pockets. Kendrick is against this type of system. He is not into consumerism. He wears plain clothing and tees and remains dressed more like a broke and barely famous hipster more than a flashy rapper.

            I said Black Americans like Larry Elder uphold this system and he does. If you are not familiar with him, look him up on youtube. He is a right wing conservative. You can be from the hood and be successful and rep the surroundings around you without selling you or your people short. This is what I was saying. I was not on any Kendrick worship, using him as an example of him being as black and American as it gets. People think speaking with a White twang, and liking things of their culture=Intelligence and success. If this were true, the civil rights would not exists, Noble Drew Ali would not have challenged the negro spirit in the US, and become one of the progenitors of the 5% FOI. This is what I mean.

          • Dat nigga with tha balance lol

            I think I did misunderstand bcuz I understand now. i’ll admit that and my fault for that. other points tho, foreign blacks have it way easier. they just do. as far as clothes and dressing, that has nothing to do with nothing. Kendrick is worth millions now with a strong following, he can do whatever he wants and ppl will still support and justify. I can clearly remember this nigga wearing some industry bullshit around the gkmc promo. anyway I hear what you saying tho.

    • LupeX

      Hey, here’s the biggest hypocrite of 2015!

  • Mez D

    That was a great article, one of the best I’ve read on Kendrick even thought its years old lol.
    I’ve only gotten to listen to the album once through my laptop so far, but damn just the content has my thoughts going a mile a minute, he’s attempting to take on the impossible and trying to improve our generation through his music. Exactly how Pac aimed to.

    Sonically and Chorus-wise it isn’t the greatest to me yet, but then again I haven’t had a good listen.

  • marty mcfly

    Momma
    Hood Politics
    The Blacker The Berry
    Mortal Man

    Thats about it for me on this album. I’m more Blacker The Berry then anything else. I appreciate what the album stands for but I like the intention behind the music more then the actual music. My favorite part is the end when Pac says “It aint gonna be no more playing, its gonna be MURDER, Its gon be like Nat Turner 1831 up in this motherfucka”… I can appreciate where Kendrick stands as far as his people are concerned and I stand with him on THAT. As far as musically? I’m into extreme lyricism. Kendrick is dope, I’m not saying he’s not but by the time It got into Momma I was already kinda bored with this album. Lyrically Kendrick is cool but I’m just really into BARS… Thats the kinda Hip Hop head I am. Now of course people will say well you just don’t know music and musicality yada yada yada… As Common once said “If I don’t like it, I don’t like it, that don’t mean that I’m hatin”… Again, I appreciate the intent behind the album and the black pride of the album… The music I just think was aiight. My Negus

    • reachcloud9

      I can dig it.

    • JEM

      I feel the same way about Lasers, F&L2, and Tetsuo & Youth.

      : (

      • marty mcfly

        You only bring up Lupe to distract from the fact Kendrick can’t fuck with him and on top of that Ab Soul and Jay Rock are iller too.. but ya’ll can continue your exaggerations about Kendrick’s skills… in 2010 Dr Dre mentioned working with Kendrick, THAT was thee exact moment 99% of you people became dickriders… Before then you didn’t really give a fuck about Kendrick.

        • JEM

          He already surpassed him with GKMC.

          (O)verly (D)edicated
          Section.80
          good kid, m.A.A.d city
          To Pimp A Butterfly

          vs.

          Food & Liquor
          The Cool


          • marty mcfly

            Naming albums means nothing cause you still can’t decipher the weight of what Lupe says on his albums. So you give the win to Kendrick because you don’t give credit to Lupe’s lyricism. Lupe has single songs that almost say more then entire Kendrick projects… I could list them and explain them (Unforgivable Youth, All Black Everything, new shit like Atomic Misphilosophy etc…) and you still wouldn’t give it up but its all good. Again, you wanna make it about Lupe only because its not an equal amount of lyricism that can be said about Kendrick… If you that much into Kendrick then you shouldn’t have to comment about Lupe to make yourself feel better about Kendrick. Talk about Kendrick since you feel so strongly about him not about other people.

          • JEM

            Naming albums does mean something. The albums are further proof that solidifies the artist being hailed on who he/she is. In this case, ”Best Emcee Of The Digital Era”.

            ”you still can’t decipher the weight of what Lupe says on his albums.”

            Yes, I can. Lupe is not that complex as you fans make him out to be. Lupe fans think, ”Bad Bitch”, and ”Next To It” is some new age philosophical/well thought out/creative/intelligent masterpieces. When shit like that is corny. Who doesn’t see that,

            ”He’s making fun of the modern day Hip Hop climate here. Lupe is so smart, and ahead of his time!”.

            LOL…That’s literally the shit I see Lupe fans write all the time.

            Lupe ain’t built like that.

          • Kidd

            Lupe may be one of the most intelligent rappers to ever do it imo but you right about the corniness at times. Execution is just as important as the intent you Tryna convey and Lupe fails at that at times and his fans don’t wanna hear people say that shit. They just say it’s going over your head and it’s almost as if they get off on feeling more intelligent just cause they listen to and “get” lupe’s music. With that being said I do feel The Cool is better than Gkmc but just off this production on TPAB I’m gonna wait till I start comparing it to anything else.

          • marty mcfly

            Listing albums is also a deflection. Your making a argument by essentially saying everything Kendrick has ever done is better then everything? Thats just not the case. The only reason people list entire albums from Kendrick is so they don’t have to pick out exactly whats on those albums that back up their claims…

          • JEM

            Nah, YOU deflecting for Lupe’s case. If he’s so lyrical, and musically rounded, where’s the homework to prove it? I don’t want no half ass ”off the dome” but, also PRE-written Sway In The Morning freestyle. Give me the FULL project, you so called enlightened genius.

          • marty mcfly

            I already listed specific songs. Listing a whole album is a deflection because neither of us is gonna go through an entire album intricately. That would take hours. Example- For me to breakdown the entire F&L 2 album from…
            Strange Fruit to
            ITAL
            Around My Way
            Audubon Ballroom
            Lamborghini Angels etc…

            Its literally so much there that Id have to breakdown centuries of history and conceptual meaning for you… You in turn don’t respect or want to take the time to investigate this kinda lyricism or even attempt to scratch the surface of this kinda lyricism so you’ll just dismiss it knowing damn well you have nothing to counter the TOTALITY of the albums messages with Kendrick’s material.

          • Sticky

            There’s different ways to be lyrical. Lupe Fiasco reminds me of like T.S. Eliot how dense his verses are but that doesn’t mean that because kendrick doesn’t have bars like those make his lyrics any weaker. Personally, this album as a whole has had a stronger impact on me than any album I’ve ever heard. That’s obviously a big statement but that’s just how I feel right now. It was weird of him to bring lupe into this tho lol

          • JEM

            And I’ve already told you that I’ve listened to every Lupe album through, and through. The only track you named in your little list that meshes both lyrical, and musical skill is Around My Way. Lupe’s flow, in the pocket rhymes, over those jazzy basslines, drums, and saxophone riffs are emaculate. I actually prefer that remake over the original in all honesty. But, that’s the only record that showcases the so-called attributes you said Lupe possesses to me.

          • marty mcfly

            Yeah sure, Lupe only has one song since The Cool the meshes together lyrically and musically… These are the kinda comments that expose that you just say anything to make an argument. You replied to a comment I made about Kendrick’s album with a comment about Lupe (to deflect from Kendrick) in which now you only give him credit for one song artistically… FOH

          • JEM

            Sorry to say but, he actually does only have one song that is palatable to my ears when it comes to the circumstances that you named Lupe has in his repertoire.

            And Hip Hop is all about comparisons.

            Deal with it.

          • marty mcfly

            Well even with that, none of my comments were about YOUR EARS, My initial comment wasn’t even about Lupe Fiasco period. All this fuckery you have to do in order to make comments toward me is why I know your just saying anything. Aside from you saying Lupe only has one song (since the Cool) that meshes together lyrically and musically… I mean thats just stupidity.

          • marty mcfly

            The fact you even said Lupe’s name in a section about Kendrick Lamar was a deflection. That way you could talk about Lupe and not Kendrick.

          • JEM

            Hip Hop is all about comparisons.

            Deal with it.

            ; )

          • marty mcfly

            My comment was about Kendrick and his album. There was no mention of Lupe or any comparisons period.

          • JEM

            And I was just letting you know that’s exactly how I feel about Lupe’s last three albums knowing you’re a hardcore Lupe stan.

            You brought him up all by yourself the other day on a Kendrick Lamar thread. Now all of a sudden, you’re butthurt on how we’re talking about him.

          • marty mcfly

            Exactly which is a deflection. and no I’m not butt hurt at all but your just too stupid to see why bringing up three Lupe albums in response to a comment that has nothing to do with Lupe at all is complete fuckery. You also did that in regards to the other conversation we had but at least I mentioned the name Lupe (in a comment about Kendrick)… Lupe wasn’t even mentioned at all by initially. My entire comment was about Kendrick’s album and you felt so insecure about it you had to bring up three Lupe albums. Smh

          • JEM

            Nope…TRUTH.

        • JEM

          That’s not a ”fact” btw.

          That’s an opinion son.

          • marty mcfly

            Again all you can do is talk negative about Lupe because that helps you feel better about MCs he has more musical and lyrically ability then… Kendrick included. So yeah you’ll bring up Next To It instead of Prisoner 1 and 2 and Bitch Bad instead of Hood Now to help out your argument but again. I don’t have to bring other people down in order to make an argument about Kendrick. I don’t even have to bring Kendrick down even while talking about why I’m not really into his new album because for me thats what its about. MUSIC. For you its about created negativity for Lupe to help you rationalize an opinion that Kendrick is better… Now you’ll continue to go on and on about Lupe because you can’t make the same kinda lyrical arguments about Kendrick that I can about Lupe… So continue to make it about Lupe…

          • JEM

            ”Again all you do is talk negative about Lupe because that helps you feel better”

            Quit whining Marty. It ain’t that serious. Lupe doesn’t even have the lyrical prowess, or is musically influenced/enhanced like that. If he was, he would either, make a full album ”spitting bars” over DJ Premier(esque) instrumentals, or would orchestrate an album just like To Pimp A Butterfly.

          • marty mcfly

            Its true though. I could show proof of Lupe’s lyrical prowess… You would in turn say something negative back because you wouldn’t be able to about the lyrics themselves. You say Kendricks album is an album full of “spitting bars” and is “orchestrated”… I could make that same argument about Tetsuo & Youth only my argument would hold up better in the “spitting bars” department… And musically there is quiet a range on Lupe that holds up as well. Your only defense would be to make a broad argument like “Lupe doesn’t have the lyrical prowess or is musically enhanced”… Blah blah blah so you can try and ignore his actual lyrical prowess and musical ability…

          • JEM

            Don’t even bother copying, and pasting lyrics from Rap Genius kid. I’ve listened to every Lupe project since Fahrenheit III. He’s cool but, not the lyrical, miracle, spiritual, individual, criminal that spits hot cheerios as you make him out to be.

            You say Lupe is built like that lyrically, and musically, then how come we’ve yet to hear a full project that showcases at least ONE of those attributes? Kendrick already has given us one of those with To Pimp A Butterfly. (Musically) with G-Funk, Jazz Fushion, heavily bass driven, elements.

          • JEM

            ^^ Mixed with live instrumentation too.

          • marty mcfly

            Your still talking about Lupe? THAT is a deflection and again the reason I dont make broad comments about an ENTIRE ALBUM? Is because thats a reach. Its suggests that the entire project is perfection? I get it but thats like saying you as an entire human being is the definition of perfection? That would be a lie. People having an opinion allows them to say anything if you present one comment that encompasses a whole 70 min long album… I’m not gonna take any album and suggest that its absolutely perfect in every way and Im not gonna take an entire discography and make some sweeping broad generalization of an entire collection. Thats the kinda shit you do which is deceptive and disingenuous.

          • JEM

            WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALBUMS.

            If it weren’t for the albums, we wouldn’t have the overall product of this sonically well rounded lyrical/musical emcee named Lupe Fiasco to judge. Again, where’s the single album of Lupe providing the proof that he beholds these qualities?

          • marty mcfly

            We are NOT talking about albums. You did that before and that also is a deflection. Go look at my initial comment. My comment was about Kendrick and his new album period. Then you came in talking about Lupe and I said thats a deflection and since hen you keep talking about Lupe… My comments were not about whole albums in general. My comment(s) were about one person and one album. Kendrick’s new album.

          • JEM

            We ARE talking about albums. YOU’RE deflecting the claims you made for Lupe being superior to Kendrick lyrically, and musically. You changed the other comment realizing you made a mistake by commenting that.

          • marty mcfly

            No fool. My comment (the initial comment you chose to respond to) was about Kendrick’s new album. I definitely was not talking about Lupe Fiasco. That wouldn’t even make sense, this whole post is about Kendrick. Go back up and read my comment again. There is no mention of Lupe or his music. When you gotta lie to argue, you automatically lose.

          • JEM

            But, then you took the bait, and began to defend Lupe, and argue that he was sonically better than Kendrick lyricallly, and musically. True, or false? The evidence was there with your second comment, but, you changed it so other people wouldn’t see your dumbass(ery).

          • marty mcfly

            No bitch. You brought up Lupe because your insecure about the arguments you make about Kendrick. Its claims his actual music don’t back up. I do a better job at explaining why I don’t rock with Kendrick then you fools do dickriding his music. You and a bunch of other people just make hugely exaggerated grand claims about his music that actually is not what his shit sounds like.

          • marty mcfly

            My comments are about Kendrick NOT Lupe, thats what your comments are about. This whole post is about Kendrick, your repeated comments about Lupe are deflections… and you’ve already told me what you want me to think about Lupe… That Around My Way is his only song that meshes well lyrically and musically. Yeah sure

          • JEM

            Why you change the comment about Lupe being better lyrically, and musically than Kendrick tho? lol…pussy.

        • Kidd

          Kendrick already had a building fanbase before Dre came in the picture. People was already saying shit bout him way back when I first heard him during Kanye’s Good Friday’s and he freestyled over Monster. Kendrick lacks in certain departments but his final product (to me) is always better than the final product of someone who may be better than him in a different aspect, such as lyrics, flow, beat selection, etc. Thats just me tho.

          • marty mcfly

            I disagree. I remember a very considerable jump in hype after Dr Dre’ name came in the picture that was not anywhere close to that level before hand. And your point about Lupe being corny? I think Kendrick comes off corny more times then Lupe but corny is based to much on other shit then whats being said. Alot of people think Lupe being over intelligent is corny? I think Kendrick’s deliver with all his funny voice inflections come off as corny but I don’t let that negate from his music necessarily. My point is this alot of people have to talk about what they don’t like about other rappers and about comments they don’t like from me in order to make a pro comment for Kendrick. I don’t have to do that with any of my comments. I could talk straight up specific lyrics that back up exactly what I’m saying about the artist.

          • Kidd

            I can understand how you feel about kendrick’s voice. To me it’s just Lupe showed us the right way to be intelligent and artistically dope with his first 2 albums and once Atlantic got really involved and the LASERS fiasco he kinda forgot how to be artistically dope imo. Lyricism is still there and may be even better but his ability to utilize it fell off imo. With that being said I do think T&Y is a huge step back in the right direction. Shit like The Instrumental and Put You On Game, Gotta Eat, those are what I mean by intelligent rap with good artistic execution that’s not being condescending.

          • marty mcfly

            Again, having to talk about LASERS and about Lupe’s lack in certain abilities is a deflection so you aint gotta talk about Kendrick’s lack in certain abilities… The perception will just be everything Kendrick does is incredible so lets talk about LASERS so that way we don’t have to say much about Kendrick. I’m not saying thats what you in particularly started or is doing but at the core of several of these arguments, thats what exists.

          • Kidd

            False. Nothing I said was a deflection. I commended Lupe’s lyricism. Sadly pure lyricism doesn’t make an album. At least not for me. Kendrick has put out shit i have not liked. No amount of time will change my distaste for it but when he drops an album or project the overall album is light years better than my dislike for one song amongst it. That’s like me trashing The Cool just cause I hate Hi-definition. Now LASERs was just a mess to me. Lupe tried his best lyrically but he couldn’t save that album from being bad to me. The over the top pop production killed it but I can see how you’d like it cause you gravitate towards lyricism and the album at least had some of that.

          • marty mcfly

            But your still talking about Lupe… You think pure lyricism doesn’t make an album? I disagree. Of course you need beats but pure lyricism can make an album but again were still talking about Lupe… That imo is a deflection. Lupe has nothing to do with Kendrick or his new album.

          • Kidd

            Also you said people have to bring down other rappers just to make pro comment about kendrick when I haven’t done that all. You are allowed your opinion tho and if you feel pure lyrics can make an album for you than you’re not wrong. Now if you wanna talk kendrick with absolutely no mention of lupe we can and if you wanna do vice versa we can also. I dont need to bring down one artist to support my arguments.

          • marty mcfly

            My initial comment was about Kendrick and his album… Every Comment there after in response to my initial comment was about Lupe Fiasco… DEFLECTIONS. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt being that you jumped in a conversation that was already in progress but again. My comment was about Kendrick and his album, after that it was all about Lupe this and Lupe that…

          • Kidd

            Ahh I see my bad bruh. On this kendrick album I’m on my 5 listen to it and imo it’s doesn’t have any skipable tracks. This production is dope as hell and lyrically kendrick is solid but Joey and Lupe’s were lyrically better. He makes songs that are intricate instead of making bars that are intricate to me. Def better to me than GKMC was. Overall I need to see how I’m playing this next month but I don’t see myself not playing this at least once a day.

          • marty mcfly

            Thats fine man but its just crazy how I made an entire comment about how I felt about Kendrick’s new album, in a section about Kendrick’s music and nobody said nothing back to me about Kendrick’s music aside from what you just said. LOL If anything I though id be attacked over Kendrick’s music not a whole bunch of other shit… I’m gone

          • Kidd

            Dickriders just as bad as haters bruh lol I respect honest opinions and discussions tho. Big ups bruh.

          • Sticky

            Saying kendrick has dickriders because of dr. Dre is like saying lupe had dickriders because of kanye

          • marty mcfly

            Lupe did get a bunch of dickriding fans because of Kanye. The difference is I have no problem admitting that. I know for certain Dr Dre’s name brought a whole other kinda level of attention to Kendrick because I was watching Kendrick beforehand. I wasn’t the only one cause so were other people… But I can admit that Kanye brought more attention to Lupe, you can’t admit Dre’s name being brought up brought more attention to Kendrick.

          • Sticky

            Yeah it brought attention to him, that was the point. With that being said we’re a long way from kendrick being that guy dre cosigned

          • marty mcfly

            The cosign already happened clearly but this thee first time I have EVER seen a Kendrick fan openly admit the Dr Dre’s name being mentioned in regards to Kendrick brought him more attention.

          • JEM

            If Dre’s co-sign holds so much weight then what happened to Hittman, RBX, Joell Ortiz, Slim the Mobster, Bishop Lamont, Jon Connor, etc? When did the more attention come?

          • marty mcfly

            They each gained more attention by Dre’s name being mentioned. For alot of people the only reason they pressed play for the first time on some of their music is because they heard Dre was involved. Now we can lie and act like that wasn’t the case but I don’t know why people gotta lie to themselves. Again though you gotta talk about other people to feel better about your arguments about Kendrick.

          • JEM

            Then how come more people didn’t come to press play for the rappers I named?

        • JEM

          Look how you changed this comment…lol.

          You a fraud Marty.

          • marty mcfly

            Change what comment? I mean the fact your still talking is ridiculous. Your not even being for real, your saying anything and trolling… Like dude, when you gotta start doing a series of dumbshit to make an argument you just need to be quiet. And again, I came on the post and made an entire comment about Kendrick’s new album point blank period. You then go on and on about Lupe Fiasco…. GTFOH already

          • JEM

            You changed it. You changed the Lupe is better than Kendrick lyrically, and musically comment. You added in the Ab-Soul, and Jay Rock comment. Then the Dre co-sign, and dickriders comment. You changed it so it can look better. Try, and fool everybody else but, I didn’t forget. You took the bait in the first place, and began to defend Lupe.

          • marty mcfly

            I changed what? Like you just saying anything. Like I added some shit I didn’t change anything and the point still remains… YES Lupe, Ab Soul and Jay Rock are indeed better then Kendrick lyrically and musically… AND? The only thing you can do is make a claim about his music that his actual music doesn’t back up. You people act like Kendrick is fucking Deltron 5050 and then I hear a bunch of meh lyrics over mellow, snooze button sounding beats… I sit through a whole album where he only really goes in lyrically like a handful of times and the rest is a bunch of instrumentation that he lets go on and on while he just says very little or nothing at all and you people act like its fucking Nature Of The Threat…. Like GTFOH. If I “defended” Lupe its cause you brought him up. Why? Because Kendrick music isnt good enough for you to make an argument based on the actual music. The only thing you can do is bring up somebody else to quickly change the subject because his music is not that DOPE period.

          • JEM

            You changed it bruh, but, whatever. Lupe, Soul, and Rock ain’t better to me musically. I can argue Soul is better lyrically than Kendrick tho. His stellar wordplay, his witty entendres, his clever schemes are all updated pretty damn good.

            And it’s (Deltron 3030) btw.

            That’s that.

          • marty mcfly

            90% of what you and almost everybody else says about his BARS? Is highly EXAGGERATED. Along with the musicality of his records and the dynamism of his songs.. You describe his shit like its the greatest musical symphony in creation like its fucking the Chronic 2015 or some shit with the most incredible lyricism ever written like its Wu Tang Forever all wrapped up in one MC and then when some of us more rational people listen to it? Its like WTF were you fools even talking about?

          • JEM

            The Chronic wasn’t that great musically. Kinda lackluster, and has fillers to it. Kind of a weak comparison. Same with Wu-Tang Forever. 36 Chambers is a milestone when it comes to lyrical acrobatics.

          • marty mcfly

            You can’t keep it real. You literally say anything and all music becomes wack except Kendrick with you. You just throw any comment out there cause your arguments aint that good in terms of Kendrick’s music.

          • JEM

            ”You literally say anything and all music becomes wack except Kendrick with you.”

            Motherfucker, when did I say ”all music becomes wack” when it comes to Kendrick? This is how I BEEN generally felt about those projects. You don’t know me Joe…foh.

          • marty mcfly

            I’m saying thats how you rationalize an argument for Kendrick… As if “All music is wack” except for Kendrick. You also just straight up lie. Like when you said since the Cool, Lupe has only made one song the meshes lyrically and musically? Like I don’t care if you hate Lupe with all your soul, that was just a straight up lie. Musically what doesn’t mesh on All Black Everything?, SLR, Oldschool Love, Next To It, etc… Musically they mesh. On top of that he’s made about 100 songs since the Cool so nothing meshed musically? Really? When it gets to point where your saying anything… Then you not being real with yourself let alone anybody else.

          • JEM

            Well I’m not biased to all music,specifically Hip Hop when it comes to Kendrick. Do I think 36 Chambers is better than Kendrick’s whole discography? Hell yeah.same with Lupe. Yes, Lupe only meshed one song lyrically, and musically since The Cool. The other’s didn’t do it for me. There’s more that goes into creating a body of work lyrically, and musically than just your typical rapping on a beat. The shit he’s done since then isn’t as cohesive as his past work.

          • marty mcfly

            You’ve said way too much disingenuous shit. To say Lupe only has one song that meshed lyrically and musically since the Cool? Thats just a bold face lie and you repeat it like you just can’t be real. You act like Lupe is a typical rap nigga and your talking about cohesion and whole bodies of work to try an lump whole statements together about entire projects at once… I mean thats just ridiculous. LASERS, F&L2, and T&Y are bodies of work. You don’t have to like them but you wanna make general statements about all three albums at once as if that statement applies across the board to almost four hours of music… Thats disingenuous… So outta 50 songs nothing on these albums meshed together musically right? Its just random sounds going in all different directions for whole albums? Like GTFOH

          • JEM

            This isn’t going anywhere guy.

            Point is, is that you don’t like Kendrick as much as I do, and I don’t like Lupe as much as you do.

            I’ve already explained endlessly how I’ve felt about Lupe since his album The Cool, and you’re just the typical stan that uses,

            ”You can’t be real.”

            ”That’s just ridiculous.”

            ”I don’t care if you hate Lupe with all your soul.”

            ”You repeat yourself.” – (like you don’t do the same)

            as your arguments , mixed with ongoing filler for rebuttals…gtfoh.

          • marty mcfly

            You left an endless trail of irrational bullshit to make your arguments though. You had to straight lie about musicality several times…

          • JEM

            My bullshit was opinionated. Same goes for yours at the end of the day….

          • marty mcfly

            I don’t have to lie about Kendrick music to leave my opinions. Like saying for the last sveral years of his career his music doen’t even mesh… That would just be a clear lie and I don’t have to judge his last three albums all at once in a comment about musicality. That would be a disingenuous comment cause the sounds were different at various points.

          • JEM

            I could say the same with myself when it comes to Lupe…

          • marty mcfly

            Your saying anything and exaggerating and you can’t even be real about the situation. Furthermore an artist does not have to make whole entire cohesive album if the individual songs are still good. If one song doesn’t blend into the next in some formulaic manner that doesn’t mean it does not mesh. Your taking anything an exaggerate it and the only reason you’ll make this whole body of work argument is because it cant be defined. Its too based on opinion. Kendrick’s new album is about 70 mins… I’m not gonna make some general statement about the musicality of an entire 70 mins or about his entire catalogue… Thats just fuckery.

  • JEM

    This dude is a prophet…people gonna get mad at this article tho…lol.

  • M Spacely

    G.O.A.T.

  • Kendrick has protest fans born out of the – “hip hop is dead” “I hate my generation” “All I hear is Drake and Chief Keef cause I only listen to music on mainstream radio” – Generation

  • DBS

    I don’t see who else could be called the best MC of the digital era, none of these new rappers are anywhere near his level lyrically, and I didn’t even like his last album, but he’s still the most competent MC out of these new cats.

    • Selorm Amuzu

      You say that as if Drake don’t exist… Ohh that’s right Drake don’t rap about the black man’s struggle

      • DBS

        Who?

        • Selorm Amuzu

          Drake !! Do your Googles !!!!

      • mahleek

        Really? Drake as lyrical as Kendrick? Being a better ARTIST is one thing, but off pure lyrics? Kendrick is far ahead of him in that regard.

  • Guest

    The album is amazing in the way he portrays his message through such a unique style and presentation. However I feel he sacrificed good sounding music in general to make such an album. Not to say there are not good songs on the album but a lot of them are a little too raw in sound.

  • War

    Interesting read.
    We all Lil B holds that spot tho.

  • C-Shellz

    How come all the same haters have to visit every single kendrick post just to argue with fans about how great he is or isn’t? Let people enjoy what they like without being a dick about your oppinions. I don’t even look at posts about artists I don’t like, much less would I insult their fans, and try to force my own opinion on them. Face it, People like what they like.
    Also, for the people that enjoyed the album, wasn’t that an amazing breath of fresh air? God damn that was some intense shit. 3 listens in and I still havnt wrapped my mind around the whole thing yet. Next listen I’ll have the lyrics Infront of me. Can’t wait to cop a physical copy. It’s my favorite album I’ve heard this year (for a long ass time, actually) and I REALLY loved B4.DA.$$ and Testuo and Youth.
    Now I just a wait for Mr. Wonderful next week! So much good music this year. But TPAB is next level and will deffinately be rememberd for a long time. I’ll wait 5 years, come back and call it a classic, cuz I’ll still have it on rotation. But just so the haters don’t attack me I won’t say that quite yet haha

  • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

    People have various opinions on this album, but when I listen to this it becomes apparent. It is supremely better than GKMC in terms of lyricism and creative might. I preferred his mixtapes and section 80 over his mainstream debut. The level of instrumentation and the overall story and flow of the album is amazing. Flylo def had an influence on the album as reported on his twitter page. The songs each had a level of unique poetry like lyricism, that is cut in simplicity and complexity. For example the latter verses in the interlude for free the woman mentions her disdain for Kendrick or the character in the song. She references stereotypes known among Black women, and lament on the history of Welfare(government AKA Uncle Sam) and how this combined with feminism destroyed the black family structure, by saying “I am gonna get my uncle Sam to fuck you up you ain’t no king”! It talks on independent Black women and there supposed superiority over urban Afro-American males and how the government advocated for Black females to erase the male role from their family structure.

    This in turn destroyed the AA community, because it told our women that being alone, masculine, and independent was good. thus aiding in the destruction of another generation. Then it goes into the apologetic negro phase in this album, then it reaches urban self-defeated levels on songs like “U”, then teaches Blacks on the history of unification and the origin of nigga(Negus). In short this album was a total 180 from what I expected from Kendrick. This was something you expect from Jay Electronica, Talib, Mos, Thought, or even Big Krit to name some because there is many. The fact that Kendrick now being a mainstream MC, was able to have this much creative control over his album speaks volumes. This is not a mainstream album, and really does not hold any of the requirements. I have to give it to him for doing him, and getting with a sound that he synchronized with perfectly.

    • marty mcfly

      I spent more time talking about the girl talking on that album then Kendrick actually rapping…

      • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

        Your opinion, if you don’t like it then you are entitled too. I thought it was great, and as art goes is for the much older crowd. He was not reaching for just the youth, but older cats who have an experience with this type of rap and soul music. This outs the culture in a positive light, because it has live instrumentation, and shows a diverse side of Hip-Hop, that shows how limitless the genre can be. For me I was shocked, I thought i would hate it. As I listened the sound was eclectic, and took me back to sec 80 so it was a win.

        • marty mcfly

          Yeah sure man, the music was just so amazing that the sky opened and angles came down and new dimensions were opened just by the sound of the almighty Kendrick… Smh

          • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

            No need to have a problem with it. The album vibed with me, because it sounds like You’re Dead. I listen to more than just Hip-Hop. Hence why this sound does not bother me, there was plenty of bars on this. There was some relevant and powerful social commentary on here as well. I thought it would suck, but I give him credit it. The album was good and eccentric. If you did not like it, you have every right not too, just like I have every right too like it. Not hard for me.

          • marty mcfly

            Yeah and I only listen to one kinda music so I must not know anything about music… Like I said earlier I like the intent behind the music more then the actual music. All the pieces are there and the messages are there but I stand behind everything I said about it.

          • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

            Good and I stand behind mine.

          • marty mcfly

            My point was the fact you listen to other kinds of music? Don’t necessarily effect anything on this album. I get what you mean by saying that but this particular music was good but this Godly like level of musicality that alot of these comments imply was on the album? Is just an extreme exaggeration with whats actually on the album.

            Wesley’s theory
            For Free
            King Kunta
            These Walls
            U
            Alright
            You Aint Gotta Lie
            etc…

            Good songs but your stretching them in comments as if this is the greatest lyrical and musically display ever and its not. The content is layered, yes, its black, yes, its some connections made from one song to the next… Yes and all that is great. Now take that same level of attention to detail and apply it to some of the other albums from last year, this year and ones that are about to drop… If Lupe applies some of the same techniques you praise Kendrick for? Its wack though (I’m generalizing)… There are some other projects coming out this year in which by design use the same kinda techniques Kendrick just did… I wonder if any of them will get the same kinda credit your giving Kendrick? Kendrick can make a song about the hood, girls, rap and drop two lines in it about politics and its this monumental political masterpiece… and Kendrick is the voice of a generation… I’ve heard several projects with specifics and intricacies and musicality levels all through it that was crazy… I come on here and point that shit out and fools act like its wack? Kendrick does it less then a year later and its like OMG etc etc etc…

          • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

            You seem to misunderstand, Lupe’s album T&Y are on heavy rotation from me. The album was phenomenal and a return to form for Lupe. I hold both of them in high regards. I even tell cats who think Em is the cream of the crop of MC’s, to look at Lupe and his discography from the freestyles, to the various projects dude put out. I am not a stan I am a Hip-Hop lover. If you can deliver a great album, I will buy. Even if I am not a fan of your views, this is what I am. A hater will never say that. They hate LOL! Then try to hide behind hate, when it is apparent.

            Lupe is already a legend, yes we can call him that. KL is not this yet, but as of right now he is on the right track. There is nothing wrong with this, both are top mc’s with very different styles. Both approach their music however in that respect as art. Many people like the humble nature of KL, versus the arrogant nature of Lupe. Hence why this translates as well into the music, and the man behind the persona himself. Also many people are going to bend to what they know and like. I really don’t see whats wrong with that.

          • marty mcfly

            My comments aint about Lupe. The other guy brought Lupe up to take attention away from what I said about Kendrick’s album… Its all good though.

          • marty mcfly

            And also It would be dope if credit is given to other artists that have social commentary and a high level of musicality in their music as well cause when other shit comes out with the same level of skill or more levels of skill then Kendrick? With the same kinda relevant and powerful content? Then its just a bunch of people finding reasons why its wack… Kendrick does the same shit? And its the defining moment of a generation… Or the “Kendrick is the ONLY rapper who etc…” arguments get made. I understand everybody got favorites but I’m about the music and the culture more then anything else.

          • disqus_xpmwx1oUV3

            I don’t think many MC’s sound like Kendrick. He is distinct, I don’t think anybody argues that. Also his use of skits are used to build upon a story, that comes together at the end of the album. Then you begin to see why during the album, what the skits were building off of. He deserves credit for being unique it’s not stannery it’s fact.

          • marty mcfly

            I get that you like skits and interludes but I would be nice if this level of appreciation for intricacies were given around the board… Then you’ll talk about you listen to other music? Ok so?, You talked about the girl part on the 2nd track (which I agree with) but so? I’m talking the straight up music on this album and I’m not romanticizing it or exaggerating it or given it extra credit because I listen to other types of music outside of this particular album… My thing is when other artists do the same kinda things in their music (Cyhi for example), then alot of people making these grand statements about Kendrick’s album didn’t seem to be listening to his last two projects with that level of appreciation of skills and musicality…

  • Lunibin510

    I just got done on my second playthrough of TPAB. I love this album. I don’t consider it a classic, however, like many of people are doing already. Not just yet. I have to see how these tracks stand up during the test of time. This album has a somewhat modern-day/90’s West Coast Hip Hop feel to it. And it’s HEAVILY influenced by 2Pac. There are references to and/or about him, or an instrumental that samples one of his old tracks, on about 80% of the songs. It’s pretty much an ode to him that gets recognized in the end, it’s brilliant. At the same time, it makes you miss him.

    Also, this album makes “i” and “The Blacker the Berry” better tracks than what they were when originally released, because in the context of the album, those songs became something completely different and far more meaningful than they were originally perceived to be. (P.S. Which is great marketing by the way)

    I was on the fence before, but today I agree, Kendrick Lamar is the best rapper of this “digital” generation. And honestly, it’s by a wide margin.

    • Will

      That pretty much summed up my entire opinion of this album

  • lance305

    People who call albums classics immediately have a lack of vocabulary. You can love an album without calling it a classic as soon as you hear it, there’s other words for how you feel about the music.

  • SOULBROTHERNUMBER3

    CLASSIC: The Most Controversial Word Amongst Music/Hip hop Heads

    The word is kinda interesting when you read in between the lines of what we as a “culture” or “hip hop or music intellects” have taken it as. Its like borderline on some sacred, immortality aura type stuff.

    • marty mcfly

      I think people hear a song or two and then say ok now the whole album is a classic after only listening to it for one day… Let alone waiting till years go by and seeing if its the artistic measure of an album that most artists use to measure their own music and the album that goes on to influence the sound of the culture… I could see people isolating a song and making points as to why this particular song my be a classic but now people anything is a damn classic.

  • I agree with a lot of the points but I just don’t find his music pleasing to my ear, especially his newer stuff. His OD mixtape and Section 80 had at least some fun on them, now he’s become this overly pretentious, socially awkward, depressed dude.

    • reachcloud9

      Please explain how he’s overly pretentious, I really need to hear this?

  • Reloaded

    To say Kendrick is weak lyrically is ridiculous. If you don’t understand why an album like this dropping at a time like now from an artist so big will be something remembered in time than that’s you. To say this album isn’t for you is understandable but as far as impact who else in the mainstream is utilizing their voice like this in a creative and epic way. (since artist like Lupe and KRIT are definitely not mainstream in the same sense as Kendrick).

    • marty mcfly

      He’s not lyrically weak but alot of people do act like he’s the conscious one man Slaughterhouse with the bars and Id give you that if the majority of the album sounded like Blacker The Berry but the majority of it sounds like poetry night at a jazz cafe… Which is not a diss, just a description of what some of you try and make seem like the lyricism of the century.

      • JEM

        I think we can all agree that Kendrick is an all around artist, rather than just a hardcore lyricist.

        Crooked, Ortiz, and Royce can probably outspit Kendrick on a track with a head nodding beat, (especially Crook & Ortiz) but, they just don’t have what it takes to make full length LP’s except Royce IMO.

        We shall see with the Crooked+Statik project tho…

        • marty mcfly

          They have already made full length LPs, multiple times at this point.

          • mahleek

            I think he means particularly good ones.

          • marty mcfly

            Id have to say all the members of Slaughter are lyrically just better rappers all together so I enjoy their albums more. I mean I’m not much of a Joe Budden fan but Id say he’s a better wordsmith then Kendrick is as far as getting his emo points across.

          • mahleek

            Can absolutely agree, to an extent. I don’t really think I’d say Joe would be the one to do emotional music better, but even if he did, it’s in his WORDS. Kendrick would most likely project it better as a whole. Maybe it’d be in how he’d pick a better beat or alter his voice to give a verse a perspective from his consciousness or another person. But it would come off a bit better, I feel.

          • marty mcfly

            But are his words better then Joe Budden’s? (from somebody who’s not a Joe fan myself). I feel what people mean when the make musicality arguments bit that kinda deads the issue for me because I can look at lyrics and see who has the better wordplay but musicality is extremely based on emotions and feelings and moods that day. Lyrics are just fixed musical attributes.

          • mahleek

            I don’t think Joe’s the right one for an emotional display, but I wouldn’t say yes to that.

          • marty mcfly

            Joe be sounding super emo to me…

        • mahleek

          Royce can’t make a good album either, tbh. Pryhme was a great lyrical display, but it’s just not that good of a project from a cohesive view. None of them have the right formula. And that’s fine, cuz they can rap circles round dudes easily.

          • JEM

            True but, I actually like PRhyme. The production can be boring here, and there because it’s typical Premier. But, I can actually dig it.

            Buddens, Joell, and Crooked’s projects been trash tho. A lot of people hype up Buddens Mood Muzik series but, I just can’t get into him. Never could.

          • mahleek

            I fucked with Pryhme heavy. Like I said, it’s a great lyrical display. I just can’t consider it a good album is all. It’s weird to say considering I fuck with lyricism, but his bars are basically just typical rap shit at an extremely high caliber. When he does attempt to say something meaningful, it comes off as empty words in the midst of all the other shit. Great songs to listen to, but still can’t call it a good album

          • marty mcfly

            Is there any rapper on earth better then Kendrick? And can make better albums?

          • mahleek

            There are tons? I think 3k is, Jay E is, Eminem(in prime) is, Lupe is, Slaughterhouse collectively are, to name a few. I never said there wasn’t.

          • marty mcfly

            I’m just saying cause people talk as if even suggesting that there are better rappers on earth then Kendrick is crazy. Smh

          • One

            Rapper better than kendrick? sure, elzhi for example.

            Making better albums? No, kendricks the best at this moment.

            My humble opinion tho, to each his own.

          • marty mcfly

            I’ve heard ALOT of better albums personally. I listed them all on the year end lists

        • marty mcfly

          The point is you front like all his bars are Ras Kass How To Kill God level when in actuality he’s closer to Big Boi with a hint of Andre 3k then he is fucking Rakim with a little KRS One… You exaggerate the lyricism of his bars as if he’s dropping the 3rd verse from Blacker The Berry every time he approaches the mic… He’s not.

          • mahleek

            He’s absolutely not the best lyricist by any means, but he excels at creating entire projects. Something alot of talented MC’s have trouble doing, that I feel differentiates an artist from a rapper.

          • marty mcfly

            So is there any talented MCs that make better projects then Kendrick or is he the pinnacle of making Hip Hop albums?

          • mahleek

            You’re taking what I say to an extreme. If you pit him against Slaughterhouse, absolutely not. Put TPAB against T&Y, and I’d say they’re relatively matched, both having good highs and some lows.

          • marty mcfly

            Your talking about extremes? I’ve seen so many comments that are extreme about Kendrick it ridiculous. Id say Lu got the edge between the two albums because Lupe did so much rapping. Alot of time when Kendrick was letting the beats ride, or using skits or saying some poetry etc.. Lupe used ALOT of time just rapping none stop on T&Y…

          • mahleek

            Sure, but have you seen ME be extreme about him? I don’t care about what others say; my words weren’t extreme. Lupe had some tracks that I just wasn’t a huge fan of on there in comparison to Kendrick, imo. And let’s not forget that 4/16 tracks are nothing but instrumental. But yes, with T&Y it was basically straight bars. Kendrick has nothing on TPAB that even comes within a mile of Mural.

          • marty mcfly

            Ok but I was already talking about extreme comments made about Kendrick before you made a comment at me so the fact I’m still talking about that shouldn’t be a surprise and again, I was talking about that before you even made a comment so of course I wasn’t talking about a specific comment from you. My thing is I don’t ever have to exaggerate with Lupe’s skills or anybody else but I’ve seen people exaggerate alot about Kendrick’s bars as if their on some alien language shit and he’s dope and all but fools be talking crazy. I almost NEVER see someone say anything specific about his lyrics. Outta a hundred comments about his skills, I my see one person actually point out a quotable… The artists I speak on? I talk specifically about exactly what they said alot of times. Thats all I’m saying

          • marty mcfly

            And also lyrically meaning, musicality also hold up on T&Y as well…

          • One

            A lil salty now?

          • JEM

            He’s just a Lupe dickrider.

          • marty mcfly

            His lyrics back up EVERY word I’ve said about him and you the one who brought him up bitch. Your claims can’t be backed up by your comments.

          • JEM

            You’re saying that is if they’re factual. It’s all opinionated at the end of the day. His lyrics ain’t that complex to me.

            And yes, I have backed up my claims multiple times. You just ramble on with the,

            ”Nah, you’re wrong.” + lengthy filler,

            rebuttals…

          • marty mcfly

            Not at all

          • JEM

            Ras Kass is a better emcee, and spitter than Kendrick. Not a better all around artist.

            Kendrick’s only similarities to Andre really is SOME of his patterns, and cadences. And maybe some of the vocal tones he uses in his voice but, rappers did that before Andre too.

          • marty mcfly

            All around artistry is extremely based on opinion… As far as who’s the better MC? Thats based on concrete lyricism thats stamped on the beat. You shouldn’t be saying any rapper is a better MC then Kendrick and be making all these claims about him as an all around artist because the MC part is a MAJOR factor. Those are the actual words not the fucking vocal tones etc…

          • JEM

            Where did you hear me say Kendrick Lamar is the best lyricist of all time, or anything to that nature?

          • marty mcfly

            You made a hundred comments about Kendrick and many of them are something “to that nature”… Outta a hundred comments you made one about Ras Kass being a better MC. You did say the other day that there is no artist better then Kendrick in this generation? When you say “this generation” what years you talking about? and are you only talking new rappers? My thing is for you to make all those comments? You need to be thinking Kendrick is the greatest artists on earth period of all time because you’ve said way too much to argue for any less at this point.

          • One

            Kinda sounds like you when the topic is about jay Z….

          • marty mcfly

            At least Jayz has almost 20 years in the game and 16 albums of material to go through and at least talk specifically about the matter…

          • One

            There we go, thats what i was waiting for :)

          • JEM

            Yeah, I was talking specifically about ”newer” rappers. Whether it comes to the mainstream, all the way to the underground. But, you being a know-it-all smart ass trying to get technical went out of your way to say shit like,

            ”Did this generation start with Kendrick?”

            Anybody on here would have IMMEDIATELY just ran with what I was talking about.

          • marty mcfly

            No fool, cause “this generation” could’ve been a bunch of different years included cause if you talking the last 12 years for example, then a bunch of artists would be considered in that debate. And a bunch of different albums would be considered.

          • JEM

            Bottom line is, you know deep down what I was talking about. Same goes for anybody that would have read that comment. You just like to hear yourself talk as if you’re smarter than anyone. Case in point the endless debates you dabble into with anybody on here, WSHH, or RR.

          • marty mcfly

            “This generation” could have been as far back as when Nas’s debut dropped. So no when you say “this generation” you could be talking about from 2013 to now or from 1995 to now… That whole ‘this generation” bullshit was so you could just make some over reach and generalized comment without being specific.

          • JEM

            Lol…gtfoh. Even Cube says shit like, ”This generation nowadays is soft.”

            Is you serious, clown?

          • marty mcfly

            Again man I explained that “this generation” could be a bunch of different years. A Generation could be anywhere from here back to 15 or 25 or 30 years maximum… So its ALOT of artists that may or may not be included. If you feel like he’s the best of “this generation”? Next time give specific years so people know what artists he’s being compared to idiot.

          • JEM

            Well I’m sure even Cube would have gotten what I was talking about. You’re just a nerd who likes be nitpick at everything.

          • marty mcfly

            Nah, I just know you refuse to be specific about much so that way your argument is left with a little room to bullshit.

          • JEM

            Type a nerd to do extra extra credit just to suck up to your teacher.

          • marty mcfly

            Type of nerd that would take your life without even blinking or thinking twice about it if you tried me in person (I said I wouldn’t entertain your fuckery about street shit but oh well…) But I’ma call it a night. You fake dude. I kept EVERY comment 100, hardly anything you said was truthful in the matter. You bullshitted to form several of your comments. You fake bitch.

          • JEM

            Lmfao…oooo I’m so scared. You got on me saying something similar to this, now you just took it further. LOL…gtfoh kid. You a real nerd in real life. Thinks he’s better than everybody else, and his shit don’t stink.

          • marty mcfly

            Yeah cause your good for starting shit and making claims you know you never intend on backing up… You can think whatever you want about me, If Im a nerd cool but you came talking about some street shit not me. Its only cause you feel some type of way… I replied the way I did cause I’m 100 with every word I said in reality.

          • One

            C’mon marty…it ain’t that serious..ease up and enjoy your day.

          • marty mcfly

            I’m chillin.

          • marty mcfly

            You aint real dude. You’ll say ANYTHING and that aint keeping it a 100.

          • JEM

            These is factz my dude.

            Bet your ass you ain’t even from The Bay. Probably from San Jose, or Central Cali.

          • marty mcfly

            Facts? No, there your opinion and yes I’m from the Bay and fyi San Jose would be considered the south Bay fool.

          • JEM

            Real Bay niggas don’t consider San Jo the Bay. I know some that call them rejects. Shit is suburban af too…shit what am I talking about. You probably ain’t even come from the streets either…

          • marty mcfly

            Yeah man whatever go get a map and look at whats considered the Bay Area. San Jose being suburban? Nothing wrong with that at all, its a great city with some good people in it. I mean lemme guess you from a 3rd world country? Now as far as me being a street nigga? Your the type to have those conversations over the fucking net? You already lost. I don’t have to say nothing about my streetness cause I don’t have to lie or front about any of it on the net or in person. Id just say whatever levels you wanna take things to in the streets? Thats cool with me simple as that but even talking about street shit and not being face to face is fuckery imo. I don’t talk the streets with crabs like you.

          • casarezrich

            It’s not about his lyricism, it’s more about the message from them lyrics. Kendrick has never been too lyrical that you couldn’t capture the message of the song, and that’s why he is so dope.

          • marty mcfly

            Yeah I know it aint about his lyricism. I can tell that by how people make comments about how his music just changed the world in 24hrs but none of his lyrics are mentioned. Other then me, you could look through this whole page and nobody talks about his actual lyrics expect me. The thing is no other MC but Kendrick gets a pass just for message and dope beats. Lyricism is the primary factor in the way people look at every other MC expect Kendrick. Is he wack? NO, thats not what I’m saying but he’s the only MC that can make an entire project and only really “go in” lyrically just a few times and people will act like its Illmatic.

          • casarezrich

            I can respect that. I’ve listened to this album 5 times already, and I can’t skip a track, nor an interlude. This has lasting appeal and will mean just as much 10 years from now, no one, I repeat, no one in rap/hip hop is doing what Kendrick is, and thats make great music, not just good, but great right now, and that in itself should be appreciated. Because like Pac, Nas, and Jay, that’s what they did.

          • marty mcfly

            Yeah sure man, nobody makes great music except Kendrick… Smh

          • casarezrich

            I didn’t say that. If you look at my statement, I basically said the artists with mainstream appeal, Nas, Pac, and Jay actually said something great when given a platform. Lupe just had a great album, but is he mainstream? No, Big Sean’s album was his best work thus far mainstream, but to me it sucked and it sounded like everyone else, he must share a bunk bed with Drake, because his shit was trash to.

          • marty mcfly

            Oh so its about mainstream appeal? So Lupe comes out and does two major Late Night shows, a bunch of major media outlets and platforms and most people on the mainstream know the name Lupe and regardless of sales you know alot of them have heard the album but yet Lupe is still not mainstream? After a decade in the game on a major label and level Lupe is still an underground rapper? Basically with Kendrick its about fame and mainstream appeal? You can try and spin it but thats basically what your saying… I get it but I’m saying all kinds of reasons are put forth for Kendrick and lyrics are hardly ever one of them.

          • casarezrich

            Lupe is the B list of being mainstream in the rap game, so there’s a difference. And an artist doesn’t have to be be all the way lyrical, they just have to make sense to me.

          • marty mcfly

            Mainstream is mainstream man. I get what your saying but ask somebody if they know the name Lupe Fiasco? I give Kendrick is props for being famous. Thats great and all but stop overly exaggerating his lyricism if when BARS are discussed you gonna bring up mainstream appeal over the lyricism. You just said “an artists doesn’t have to be all they way lyrical”? Yeah I bet and thats whenever people try and make the artistic supremacy argument for Kendrick but he’s the only artist that exception gets made for.

          • casarezrich

            Lets get off the lyrical side of the equation of the music, and lets focus on substance, I get that Lupe is more lyrical and all, but what will stand over time TPAB or T&Y? That’s where I’m going with this conversation, from a historical context and the path our nation is headed on, I think TPAB means more, and it should. You have to understand, maybe because of contract stuff or whatever, but Lupe hasn’t had a hot album since this last one. And I hope he stays on this path, especially since he’s unsigned now.

          • marty mcfly

            Exactly. Almost every time I’ve had this kinda debate, people wanna “get off the lyrical side”, they wanna talk about anything and everything except Kendrick’s lyrics… but then make comments about all around artistry? Well lyrics is included in that… I could tell you what will stand over time with T&Y. Shit the first ten minutes of the album will stand up over time as well as several other subjects and concepts but when Kendrick is brought up its always about what other artists aint doing and why lyrics have to be put to the side because its about a whole bunch of other shit… You think this is the first time I’ve had this conversation? Have had it with a hundred people already and 99 of them didn’t wanna say anything about Kendrick lyrics and if they do they just well Kendrick is the best period or some over reaching comment and its nonsense. If I ask specifically what lyrics are you talking about? Fools come with this shit like listing every project Kendrick has ever done. Like comeonow. My think is when people have constantly made it a point to almost never talk about lyrics when it comes to Kendrick? It makes it hard for a serious person to take people claims of lyrical (or artistic) supremacy seriously. You also wanna take lyrics off the table, yeah I already knew you would.

          • casarezrich

            Ha ha, okay man, if you it’s about lyrics and lyrics only you won.

          • marty mcfly

            Yeah because its Hip Hop and guess what”s also part of the music? LYRICS and the reason why I bring it up is if ANY other artist was in discussion? You would talk about lyrics this and lyrics that… If its Kendrick? Then its about everything else… except the lyrics.

          • marty mcfly

            I done man but I promise you I aint making this shit up. I’ve heard shit like “well its not always about lyrics” so many times when it comes to Kendrick its like damn then stop acting like the nigga is Eminem on Rap God since its not about lyrics so much.

      • reachcloud9

        Blacker the Berry isn’t even the most lyrical song on the album though. Just because some of the songs are mellow doesn’t mean they’re not lyrical.

      • casarezrich

        Blacker the Berry has just become a small part of this album, from the themes, to some of the poetry, and later to the Pac outro, Blacker the Berry became a way for Kendrick to vent more than anything. Kendrick has given us a masterpiece, and yes he does shut slaughterhouse and even TDE shit down, this dude is something really special.

        • marty mcfly

          I have never heard Kendrick shut Slaughterhouse down in the lyrical sense. EVER. His message may be different but that don’t just elevate his bars beyond those that actually focus on lyricism.

          • casarezrich

            Actually it does. What can you take away from Joel Ortiz, or any of them other guys? Everything Kendrick drops has lasting appeal, when was the last time Slaughterhouse dropped anything? I give them lyrics and slick word-play, but that’s it.

          • marty mcfly

            Well Kendrick is the only rapper that gets that kinda exception made. Ras Kass don’t just get props for the message on How To Kill God, Mickey Factz don’t just get props for the message in Detroit Red, Cyhi don’t get props for the messages on Black Hystori 1 and 2, Jay Elec don’t get props for “bringing ancient mathematics back to modern man”, Common don’t get props for messages in his songs, Joey Badass don’t get props for just the message in some of his songs and Lupe don’t get props just for the message on Prisoner 1&2 and for talking about world wars on Atomic MisPhilosophy… All these other artists have to drop BARS and thats whats looked at when they make music. When Kendrick makes music, then its all about the message… and not so much about the lyricism all of a sudden.

          • casarezrich

            Listen, I hear you, I like Ras Kass, just started listening to Summer Knights, and I enjoy Cyhi, but what has Jay Electronica came out with to keep him relevant, we’ve all been waiting for his joint to drop and every year that he’s had the chance, nothing. Lupe has always been educational and thoughtful with where he’s going with his music, I guess that’s why I always listen, but Kendrick is doing something different with “this” album, that’s all I’m saying than any of them. He’s taking the realities of today’s society within the Black community and showed something to the mainstream that a lot of artists (mainstream) aren’t doing or are afraid to do. And this album illustrates just that! That is all I’m saying.

          • marty mcfly

            Only Kendrick gets props for talking about issues. If anybody else does then they don’t get no props or they get discredited for not dropping BARS… Lupe drops Tetsuo and Youth and all of a sudden he’s not mainstream enough. Jay Elec does songs with Common, Mac Miller, PRhyme, and JayZ of all people but since he doesn’t have an album then he’s not relevant. Its like the rational goes on and on… Mainstream or not, did you hear Cyhi’s last two projects? Now how many mainstream rappers you think also heard it? How many mainstream fans also know who Cyhi is? I mean I’m done man but Kendrick gets alot of passes and exceptions made by people in the lyrical sense. Any other rapper? People wanna talk straight up BARS period and they’ll say anything to explain why it aint dope. Kendrick? I becomes about mainstream appeal and oh its not really about the lyricism, its more about the message and the music… Yeah only for him and nobody else.

          • casarezrich

            I understand your frustration. Who’s your favorite artist, Ras Kass? Mine is Kendrick, so there’s gonna be disconnect, I have my ear for certain lyrics and types of hip hop than others, so I’m just stating my opinion.

          • marty mcfly

            Its no frustration. Im just saying no other rapper thats considered an MC gets a pass for not being that lyrical. If any other MC spits some shit thats not lyrically dynamic (if Lupe ever says I rhyme thats not super lyrical), then the music gets no pass and they may even be called wack… Kendrick makes some shit thats meh? or Ok? Then its the greatest music of this generation. I understand everybody got their favorites but Im not given any MC I like any passes or exceptions and I’m not gonna lower the bar for them to make claims about why their the ONLY rapper that does this and that. End of the day imo any other MC better do everything to a supremely high standard just to be considered dope. People will comb through every lyric and every sound of a Cyhi, Ras Kass or Lupe project just to say why it aint dope. Kendrick makes a project? In less then 24 hrs people wanna make arguments as to why its one of the greatest masterpieces in the last decade.

      • Reloaded

        I get that he not spitting BARS that fly over heads, but at the same time their is complexity in his writing and uniqueness to his delivery, enough to say that he is one of the leading lyricist of this generation of hiphop that will definetly have (and already has, look at Logic) a part in how the next generation hiphop artist who want to be in the lane of a “lyricist” or “conscious rapper” will sound.

  • Jay Daniels

    People gone listen to Kanye wail through auto tune and talk about the Kendrick album not sonically pleasing.

  • soulonice_

    Niggas sit on here and argue all day. Get a hobby lol

  • AdolfMayneRuffin

    If feel like all artist have their up and downs in their careers doing numbers hype and all that other b.s don’t matter when you can’t put the record on 5yrs from now and enjoy it

  • Kendricks label dropped that album early because Yeezy was dropping his album on the same day.

  • Deacon The Villain

    Prophecy at it’s best…

  • F.N. Herstal

    Andreas — Great column.

    Kendrick Lamar is hands-down the voice of his generation. This is probably the best record of the year, regardless of genre, but that doesn’t mean its flawless. I have one question: Would you pay for the instrumental version of this LP? I wouldn’t.

    I would, however, pay double for the acapellas.

  • Music

    “I don’t to black music, I don’t do white music, I do EVERYDAY life music”- Kendrick. To Pimp a Butterfly may sound like an afrocentric album but it’s one that speaks on what is going on today and it needs to regarded as just that. I think his next album will have a totally different feel

  • *One of the best. Calling him THE best is such a huge stretch.

  • Guest

    Music is subjective. I judge a good album by if i can listen to it through all the way without skipping. And i been listening to this daily since it came out. Love everything from the jazz and funk to the poetry. I want an artist to show me they actually put some thought into what they put out. Especially with the way rap is today, all i see is drug rap and talking bout hoes and money. That isn’t my life. This album spoke to me cause it allowed me to hear somebody else’s opinion on where we as black people today are, and the things that are holding us back. Situations caused both by us and the system. So if you don’t like the album i can respect that, but at least respect the thought that went into making it

  • Pingerz

    “eat my meaty rotten ass drake” – Kendrick Lamur

  • FriendsWit DaDealer

    ” Once upon a time, album reviews by professional journalists hit magazines well before the album was heard by the masses. Once said album finally hit shelves, the people were able to judge without the element of social media and instant gratification of their often uneducated opinions”.

    Just cause someone is a “professional journalist” doesn’t mean they have any authority on whats a good album, or a mediocre album. And during that time folks would read these reviews of albums they never heard, and it would warp their view of the album. So when they finally did get to hear it, in the back of their mind was some journalist take on it which really fucks up how a person hears music. And its kinda elitist to say that “the people” have an “uneducated” opinion. If the people say its a classic then its a classic. Thats just how things go…its not up to music journalists to tell us whats a classic and whats not. If its heard by the masses and they conclude that whay they heard was classic material then it is. Long gone are the days when magazines, and newspapers tell us how we should feel about art. Well I won’t say “long gone” thats a lil drastic, but hopefully it’ll be on the way out soon. But other than that…dope article. Just had an issue with the intro.